Lurker - I absolutely agree. I doubt there will be many besides me who will bother to go through the rigmarole of opting out. I hear rumours that you may also have to sacrifice a goat at midnight in the centre circle whilst dodging the security team in order to opt out.

OI still sounds like we're not acting in the spirit of treating customers fairly with the way the opt out is done.

KD - I don't think that's really how membership organisations should work, they're not the government. This point of view relies on the board having determined that this route will increase the likelihood of passing a restricted action. They have said no such analysis on implications has taken place and ML has said she thinks this is likely to make passing restricted actions harder.

Lurker - the FCA govern us under a different act (or set of acts) from the way they govern financial service companies. The ban on opt-out selling appears not to come from the acts under which we're governed. Of course calling it a 'gift' from the club rather than something you are buying and not providing a refund if you opt out probably dodges a lot of bullets.

As soon as you get to restricted actions there is a minimum percentage of voters. That is why the new members need to be 'educated' as otherwise most of them will just delete the emails about voting. For those who oppose any restricted action changes, not voting rather than opposing is the route forward.

Also, moving to 50%+1 increases the possibility of ground expansion. We need that for growth.

Are the DTB's actions skulduggery or leadership? The existing DT membership may be largely right-on, hug-a-Hamas types but it is also deeply conservative. Maybe our financial position necessitated such 'underhand' tactics?

TF- would you argue the other way if ML didn’t have a six figure investment in the club? Ie - she’s only voting/ saying things as she has no “skin in the game”

So was it said that the FCA agreed that opt out with a 2 email convoluted process was acceptable from a customer protection basis?

scotty one thing I'd disagree with - too many making personal attacks on those who put forward the VONC. Actually very few did that. But they did it loudly and with the protection of the people running the platform they used. The issue was the same as it will always be. Most DT members are members to support the club not to be active on anything. They generally don't vote on anything. If there was a minimum % of membership voting before anything counted there'd be a struggle to get anything done.

Maybe I should’ve stayed part of the membership team just to get the inside line on numbers!

Leddrede - you might want to ask Mikey T about that Mark Crossley story. I think he has already explained it in a WhatsApp group that Crossley is getting his dates and /or games mixed up.

The official (DTB meetings) skulduggery probably took place at the February and March meetings which Hannah was unable to attend.

I'm at the stage of probably throwing in my season ticket. The underhand behaviour of the DTB disgusts me. Hannah Kitcher is the only one who opposed it. I will remain a DT member in the hope that I can vote all of them out. It may take a while.

I expect we will have to wait until start of season to get the new figures.

U16 and/or able to criticise.

Mags. It's unclear but we were told recently there were over 1,000 U17 Junior Don ST Holders. But even that is misleading as 17 year old's qualify for that ST but not the Junior Dons. Suggests the club will be funding upto 3,500 ST Holders but around 1,500 are exising DT members

The approx 100K the club is sending to the DTB isn't much more than an accounting dodge as the money is just going back to the club anyway (Women's team, Academy etc). What it has done is likely bought the votes of around 2,000 supporters who have huge interest in the on pitch team, but no interest in the politics and who are probably not ingrained in fan ownership.

At the meeting it was said that only a third of ST holders were DT members. And, iirc, we have 4500 season ticket holders. We weren’t told how many would be ineligible for DT membership (u16’s ?).

I'm seeing everywhere that the expectation is for an additional 3,000 DT members via the ST initiative. As the club/DTB know it is way less than that. Ball park 2,000 (probably starts with a 1 rather than a 2 as well).

Would love to see what these mugs can put to the vote which would improve the on pitch situation.

Spit - the police are too busy telling Jewish Londoners that they look obviously Jewish and will be arrested if they are too close to one of the rent-a-mob anti-semites marching round town of a Saturday. France have it right (for once) - they have banned all pro-Gaza marches as they intimidate French Jews. If only Khan had the same moral courage.

Michele would have loved to have lived in those times. Sadly she has to face Los Bannables who don’t tend to sit down shut up and she’s struggling to comprehend how people don’t just comply with her own financial investment.

The DTB SGM results are out. I think they nicely illustrate that any upcoming vote to sell the club to an outsider would go through comfortably. The moment the club say the club is finacially on the brink of collapse the 2,000 new DTB members (who won't bother e-mailing the club to remove their membership) will ensure it happens. Surprised after 2019 the DT members have so easily let the control of the club slip away. Too many determined to fight those who object to the status quo. The VONC was a chance to raise concern, but too many made it personal to attack those supporting it. Make no mistake, the DT has lost the power they had. Very clever by the club/DTB as KD has rightly alluded to. A bit of behind the scenes strategy and the DT is all but taken out.

Paula Vennells has a whiff of 'DTB' about it