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TF, these accounts are for y/e 30 June 2025, so won't show the effect of those changes
7th Nov 2025 13:44:06
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Heart says operating losses down to £1m, heads says closer to £2m
Bush - not stating anything is easy, just that the people who contributed a lot of money in 2020/21 deserve to be treated as adults who can look at and comment on a problem, not a group to be told that those who know better have thought about it and decided to alter their entitlements. The number of debentures not associated with season tickets is probably quite low so there may not be an enormous outcry but then again how many tickets actually get released (that is even simpler data to provide)?
7th Nov 2025 13:42:32
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Would be interesting to see if we have increased profitability from the decisions made around the street food vendors.
7th Nov 2025 13:28:50
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The resale of STs system needs to be looked at as well. I have tried to use it a few times this season and was unable to do so. I appreciate that the matches had not sold out at that stage but why can't I simply put my ticket into a "basket" for later sale if needed? The coding for this can't be that difficult.
7th Nov 2025 13:28:42
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RE OTD seem to recall Leeds had played a European game in Moscow 3 days before so we got them just at the right time
7th Nov 2025 13:25:17
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OI - get that but also see how it's complicated. Take the Wigan game. Based on what's available that's pretty much sold out now. But it's not really sold out as loads more tickets will become available 8 days before the game. I can see why appearing as effectively sold out when in reality it's nowhere near sold out is challenging (albeit that's down to the policy the club set).
7th Nov 2025 13:19:06
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agree with RK from earlier. Basically every decision now is motivated by maximising income. Was the same with changes to sponsorship they made over the summer. It ks a difficult balance for the club as abundantly clear they need to maximise income.
A question for mobile phone gurus. My wife has recently had issues where installed apps are not showing on the home screen. She has a Samsung S10e.
7th Nov 2025 13:16:59
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TS, sounds like we need some cash
7th Nov 2025 13:15:20
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2024/25 accounts out soon ...
Along the same lines, I had a 5YST from season 2 but I was not allowed to renew it once we moved to NPL. Now they are on offer again.
7th Nov 2025 13:11:24
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"There are practically never" - should read "There are practically never any fair sized groups of seats going on sale."
7th Nov 2025 12:10:59
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pressed post too quickly!
The problem with seats is groups. There are practically never We release tickets in two tranches, so most of the first tranche may be sold before the second are released. Therefore if all tix released at same time, there would be far more 3,4,5,6+ clusters available for larger groups.
7th Nov 2025 12:08:05
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However club could have gone bust without non-refundable STs and Debentures, so morally indefensible to shaft debenture holders
Bush - a point but the data should also note the points at which they are effectively sold out (e.g. less than 40 tickets available, less than 20 pairs available). I presume the data exists, they wouldn't develop policies without data I'm sure.
7th Nov 2025 11:48:00
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Lol Hash. Yes Amba I'm certain it was a typo. They seem quite common in important pieces of content.
7th Nov 2025 11:24:27
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Yes, definitely agree that club could do loads more to communicate when extra tickets go on sale.
7th Nov 2025 11:22:24
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I agree BW and it’s a conversation I have had with people on stadium tours when they ask how they can buy tickets when it’s sold out weeks in advance. I mention to them to check a week before the game and the debenture tickets will become available. Maybe we could have a pop-up message on the ticketing site and any matches that are close to selling out.
7th Nov 2025 11:16:20
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But we can’t go against the goodwill of the fans who brought debentures 5 years down the line when our attendance has doubled and we continue to fine additional income steams.
Bush Womble -- All it needs is a very clear note saying something like: "If you were unable to buy tickets today, check back on [date] when seats not taken up by Debenture Holders will be released for sale." It's not difficult.
7th Nov 2025 11:13:55
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Or it means the fixture list got leaked. Also means good chance we will be in the championship next season.
7th Nov 2025 11:07:45
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This is the newculture adopted by the Club, as Stuart D sums up perfectly, they are tasked with maximising income and are getting a bit ruthless. Rewind about six months and the fans that were blue & yellow members were told they had to become VPs to continue access to hospitality lounges. That meant paying an annual sub of £3,600, beyond most of them
7th Nov 2025 11:07:05
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OI - I guess the challenge with looking at the data is we can't see how many people have been put off from buying tickets due to lack of availability. I'm not sure what the solution is but the current situation is a bit weird and I think hard for people to understand. E.g. now there are hardly any tickets available for the Wigan game on 22 Nov. If someone is looking for tickets now they'll probably be put off. And I often hear people saying they couldn't get tickets to games when there are loads available later. The unclaimed debenture seats get released 8 days before a game now but that is slightly odd timing and hard to convey to casual fans. Putting very few tickets on sale initially and then adding lots more later doesn't seeem that logical. It's clearly neater for the club (and probably brings in more funds) if they can show all the available tickets when they go on sale.
7th Nov 2025 11:06:48
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but equally a very strong/fair argument that the club should not go back on the terms they set and penalise debenture holders who have put a lot of money in
Trigger - But it also says that the first match affected will be the Stevenage game on Boxing Day. That's this season -- so the Dec 26 is most likely a typo, as we certainly don't know the 2026-27 fixture list yet.
7th Nov 2025 10:59:09
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Email says it comes into effect on 1st December 2026.
7th Nov 2025 10:54:31
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Nicander, Feels to me that the club are focused heavily on revenue and maximising the matchday sales, that they have lost sight of the fan impact imo. The Debenture holders provided desperately needed funds and others had non-refundable ST’s that year, and whilst it was 5 years ago, it was an important period and we desperately needed help from the fans.
7th Nov 2025 10:41:45
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To go from 7 to 21 days in one hit is wrong imo and the idea of the debenture was to give fans the option to buy their seat at a weeks notice to suit their social and work life.
Pretty sure I remember Hartson scoring OTD but can't remember the other one
7th Nov 2025 10:39:07
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28 days for debentures seems OTT and basically makes it pointless to have a debenture. Club needs to rethink this / reverse this decision / come up with something else.
Apparently, someone at WHAD towers forgot to hit the record button.
7th Nov 2025 10:21:50
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