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Joe Palmer made mistakes (don't we all?) but I think the logic of going for an external contractor was sound, as the club was 'diving in at the deep end' into catering/events on a much bigger and, it was hoped, day to day basis but had no experience of it. Attempting to do it all 'in house' from scratch would probably have been a guaranteed disaster. But the feedback from initial contacts when I was on the trust board were that it was proving very difficult to get interest from any hospitality business when they were confronted with a one-sided ground. I often wish it was possible to turn back time 10 years and start the whole stadium design process again – so many flaws in the initial thinking, to my eye. 😞
12th Nov 2024 08:19:25 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Wow Meadow. Whoever put Angus as DTB chair needs to give their head(s) a wobble. Very poor decision.
12th Nov 2024 07:51:16 
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The sheer nerve of deleting the post and then doubled down with asking you to delete a file from your own machine! Shameful, yet again from our board and the PB moderator.
Morning Wombles, I wonder what delights will befall us today.
12th Nov 2024 07:27:00 
[87.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Meadow. Angus seriously asking you to delete a document that was made publically available? Not your fault they subsequently changed what they published.
11th Nov 2024 23:47:54 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
scotty
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
*Woodroof
11th Nov 2024 23:45:46 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
scotty
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Dugout Don. Graeme is on the DTB ,PLC and Finance Committee. Michele is Vice Chair on PLC, Boss of Managing Director James Woodroff, Head of Finance Committee, DTB Treasurer and anything else I've forgotten.
11th Nov 2024 23:44:47 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
scotty
Very circular set-up !
dugoutdon - exact words were “ one of the board members involved in the oversight of the ongoing tender process for the catering contract.” so I guess only overseeing it rather than doing it. My mistake there.
11th Nov 2024 23:31:13 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Christmas decorations will be put up Chez Meadow a week before Christmas and no earlier.
11th Nov 2024 23:29:01 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
First house with xmas decorations tonight mitcham Bramcote avenue. And the spoons has just started putting up the decorations. .only Hogs back beer I like Surrey nevada ipa,delicious
11th Nov 2024 23:17:33 
[10.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
But I thought the dtb were overseers not doers, or have I got this wrong, so wouldn’t the club be tendering it operationally and the dtb oversee it. Isn’t GP on the dtb, I must admit I am getting a bit lost in all this 🙄
11th Nov 2024 23:14:57 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Probably the cheap option (did they have to invest a load of capital into equipment/set up?) and maybe sensible, as marketing a new venue from zero, with no experience, is always going to be a challenge. I saw Graeme Price mention on pro boards he is part of the group tendering the new contract so I guess stuff is in the works. Looks behind schedule going by the dates in the redacted minutes though.
11th Nov 2024 23:08:19 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Out of the frying pan soon..
Cheers SwinDon still shows someone on ESG who was very credible as used to be the DT secretary has resigned as thought it was unfair...that says a lot to me and I'm sure others especially those that know David will agree
11th Nov 2024 23:03:36 
[185.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Looks like Elior are still our contractors [Link]
11th Nov 2024 22:59:49 
[94.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Good Grief, Meadow.
11th Nov 2024 22:54:20 
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Not that I should be surprised.
Always thought that outsourcing to Elinor was the lazy option, but I suppose circumstances dictated. And they had the manpower, even busing in mancunians to work the bars.(where cash got you cheap drink.😂
11th Nov 2024 22:53:49 
[10.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
There is a degree of mitigation with Covid in as far as it was absolutely the worst possible environment to launch our banqueting and events business, through no fault of our own, and equally the worst time to seek an outsourcing partner. Can imagine that due to the rock and hard place we found ourselves in that Elior were in a position to insert objects into our contractual sphincter and duly did so.
11th Nov 2024 22:50:10 
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So I'm not throwing rocks yet but if the above and KDs dating both hold then we should hope to see some new and improved arrangements pretty soon.
And round and round and round we go……
11th Nov 2024 22:41:11 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
My apologies Slough, I have checked and it was last Weds 6th.
11th Nov 2024 22:37:07 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
KD - I kept them too but they're on my computer downstairs, not on my phone. I dared to mention the Elior thing on Proboards and not only was my post deleted (no worry there) but I also got a PM from Angus Fox demanding that I delete the document. I refused.
11th Nov 2024 22:36:52 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
*Ears.
11th Nov 2024 22:33:19 
[94.lo.gg.ed] 
It's late and I need to be up at 5am to go to an industry event at a football stadium...
My eyes also pricked up by Heller's comments about Covid permanently fucking the events industry. It hasn't. Either he's covering his arse for poor performance as commercial director, or....
11th Nov 2024 22:31:12 
[94.lo.gg.ed] 
...it's a white elephant
And that's top sleuthing KD.
11th Nov 2024 22:30:09 
[45.lo.gg.ed] 
We should be talking to ETC Venues if Little Legs is reading.
If we want to make the stadium pay I reckon we need to run the events and catering businesses in house to a greater extent as one of a number of significant changes that increase all revenues, especially match day. Or as Russ says find better partners, if they both exist and offer better profit. Either way you'd also need to invest in facilities. All seems pie in the sky atm. This positive message was brought to you by KT2.
11th Nov 2024 22:26:59 
[45.lo.gg.ed] 
As Super Hans once said while planning the launch of the Swan and Paedo, we need start up wonga.
Elior contract should have ended by now. 'February 22nd [2023] DM met with Elior who gave him an exit figure. DM said that he thinks the costs will be extortionate and we need to squeeze every bit of money out of Elior in the 16 months before we finish the contract without breach.'
11th Nov 2024 22:24:10 
[94.lo.gg.ed] 
I kept 'em
Does anyone remember the unredacted PLC minutes that mistakenly got published? One of the items mentioned was Elior and Danny Macklin being very annoyed at how much it would cost to get out of the contract.
11th Nov 2024 22:13:30 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
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