Silk - So what you really mean is our glass ceiling is 21th place in the Championship. I tend to agree.

Silk, spot on about needing strikers, look at the perennial drop dodgers, it's usually achieved by having a successful front line to bail out the failure of the defence. As a bottom feeding team atm, our back line is doing better than most around us, even if it's just through not getting spanked once a month average that others down with are doing.

The biggest problem any club finds, is that if they want to be successful, they need to temper their chances with sound business and a clear policy of what they will be looking to achieve. Generally the best will be setting targets for this and look at stability of not getting ahead of ourselves. When we got promoted to L1, we had no real sustainable succession plan in place. This is the trouble of the playoff promotion, some are geared up to it by challenging to go up automatically, we scraped a place and went up possibly 2yrs early. We had reached the next level ahead of time without a fighting fund to develop a L1 long term plan, but when you are there, you don't just roll over and give up, but the job gets a whole lot harder without the infrastructure and finances in place first.

KD - our capacity will be 9k. No club in the last ten years have stayed up in the Championship, bar Burton by the skin of their teeth, with crowds of that size. Facts do not support your argument. There is a reason that Brentford have moved to a bigger sized stadium. They know they cannot continually over-perform so want the extra revenue the stadium will provide. We would need crowds of about 15k to survive in the Championship regularly or have a sugar daddy adding millions to budget alongside increasing our capacity. I do not count as a one and done as breaking the glass ceiling

SwinDon and possibly Plymouth coming up will help away crowds @ NPL also. Maybe we'll keep Sunderland, Pompey Ipswich too :)

‘Our ceiling is midtable L1’. Bollocks. There’s nothing wrong with aiming for the Championship but ambition mustn’t give way to short-termism.

The Pig play better if he someone decent alongside him like Forss or Hansen, not the likes of Kwesi and Pinnock

RK - totally agree. The plan for the first season going up to the Championship is just to stay up. I also agree that teams have their glass ceiling. Ours is mid-table L1. I think both Barnsley, Luton and Charlton can be mid-table Championship. Charlton have suffered with injuries - namely with Lyle Taylor. If you are a team with a small budget for the League you need your strikers, and especially your best striker, to be in form and fit. But look at where Brentford are - top six without a top six budget but a top notch recruitment policy. You can beat the budget if you do things properly. And do we did in the past exploit the arrogance and laziness of the higher budgeted teams.

Charlton should be ok now Lyle is fit again, he scored 2(one a pen)v Luton yesterday

Would be great if we could produce a decent forward or two so we don’t have to overpay for shite. Any side will struggle if they’re relying on a one-legged Pig for goals.

Looking like a massive chasm between Championship & Lge One now. Last year's (auto) promoted sides, Luton & Barnsley look like returning and Charlton are struggling in 18th place. I doubt that the three teams going up this year will establish themselves in the higher league either

WS86 called a fight right! And what a fight. A tanning for the Bronze Bomber. Ended.

We have seem to have got into a state of believing that money is the single determining factor. There is some truth in this. Neither Klopp of Gaurdiola will not go to Burnley or Crystal Palace and therefore neither will certain players. Also, like us, they will struggle to hang on to any decent player or indeed manager they to manage to sign. But they both can finish top half of the Premier League or get relegated - determining on the manager and his outlook on how he wants to play and how well the club recruits. Ancellioti at Everton is an interesting one as that it a big six manager not at a big six club. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

The biggest determining factor is the manager. Look at Man Utd under Fergie and Man Uttd after him. Or how Klopp is the first manager for three decades having Liverpool winning the title. Look at how Bassett and Gould gave us success and how Withe almost fucked it up for us and Olsen did. That is not to say money doesn't play a part as it insulates you against the inevitable bad signings - Man Utd may well be mid table but are too rich to go down. Money also insulates against the inevitable down part of the cycle as Spurs are suffering at the moment. Money alone cannot prevent Barcelona struggling to replace Xavi and Inestia. Finally look at how Chris Wilder has used his budget better than other managers with higher budgets. A good manager will make teams over-perform but a big budget is no guarantee of success,

For those banging on about budget improvement = success. Luton had a much bigger budget and walked L1. Turned out even with the extra money they got in the championship they weren’t viable for that league. Considering the constant noise about success includes noise about can’t afford relegation please take note because without someone ploughing in around £10m a year relegation from championship is pretty much guaranteed.

Oh yeah, i knew that young guy was a Lonsdale and I thought that might have been Carshalton Dons other half too, but wasn't sure they were actually Mr & Mrs.

In that pic. Ambadad on the left, Soundman (Richard Lonsdale) 5th left, then Carshalton Don (Swin's brother), John the Don and Stembo and Peter Proto behind him. Primani Womble in the yellow, and Mrs Carshalton Don next to her. Sandy is last on the right.

and Peter Pronto (former AFC Wimbledon auditor) hiding behind Stembo

Stembo is the one holding up the shirt.

Re- that WUP guest book collective, I recognise most of the faces and can name 4, John the Don, Sandy, Primarni and Ambadad. I also recognise SwinDon's brother.

The highlight of the game for my son is sitting behind the Hayward’s Heath Womble and his mates ... always make him laugh and me as well to be fair

In addition, my worry Shergy is that going up through the leagues was a journey. . If we go the other way downwards then we may long term lose them

MLD, that's my concern for next season. If we stay up and the budget is similar for next season it will probably be a case of grinding out points again all season. That may be ok for the hardcore of fans but not for floating fans that we will undoubtedly attract in our first season at NPL

If we keep seeing this dross every week, we won’t get people through the gates

Up the budget,play better football,get to the championship,pay off loans quicker.