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Zero tolerance on most things a sure-fire way of losing votes. Most people rightly don't consider themselves as being intolerant, racist, homophobic or sexist etc. Being told they are and that they don't meet the high standards of wokeness by some self righteous minority is a real turn-off.
7th May 2021 11:01:56 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
Sure go after the real offenders but leave the rest of us to carry on with our lives.
This tweet made me laugh, and it does seem partly true[Link]
7th May 2021 10:51:56 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
the way for Labour to win is to pivot around one fundamental message. Zero tolerance for sex pests and their abetters. Anyone who associated with Epstein persona non-grata. Huge expansion of anti-sex crime policing.
7th May 2021 10:43:55 
[77.lo.gg.ed] 
raging womble
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
mandelson was friends with chief nonce epstein
7th May 2021 10:42:25 
[77.lo.gg.ed] 
raging womble
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
As Mandelson pointed out on the radio, the last eleven elections for Labour are: lose-lose-lose-lose-Blair-Blair-Blair-lose-lose-lose-lose.
7th May 2021 10:40:48 
[79.lo.gg.ed] 
I'm no political strategist but I suspect there's a lesson in there somewhere about connecting with voters.
Saveloy- prosecutor. Some of his “non-decisions” about prosecuting as DPP don’t look great.
7th May 2021 10:27:52 
[146.lo.gg.ed] 
As to his fiddling skills- I know nothing.
KD - if we had been wedded to a European approach it would have been the sovereign decision of a Tory government. It might also have altered the way the EU vaccine procurement was set up.
7th May 2021 10:17:18 
[185.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
It's worth pointing out that at the Hartlepool by-election the turnout went down from 58% to 42%. So more people in Hartlepool are disillusioned with all politics than are voting Conservative.
7th May 2021 10:07:56 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
We still talk about left / right politics when this has been replaced by something different. Patriots & Globalists perhaps?
'solved the mixing...'
7th May 2021 10:04:30 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
not 'solved by the mixing...'
I read the other day that in Australia, the Labor party solved by the 'mixing oil and water' problem by splitting into Labor Left and Labor Right, and each faction has different policies. They then divvy up cabinet/shadow cabinets seats on a roughly 50-50 basis. I suppose if Labour did something similar here they could field socially conservative 'Right' candidates in places like Hartlepool and 'Left' knee-benders in Islington etc.
7th May 2021 10:02:27 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
They'll have to do something or they're farked.
Preston - not a very good violinist or not a very good public prosecutor?
7th May 2021 10:00:48 
[79.lo.gg.ed] 
I'm presuming the latter and interested to hear why, I would have thought reaching the top of the profession suggests he is pretty good but -insert shrug emoji here- I don't really have any idea
Another great wombles had a dream podcast. Is Shayon Harrison really out of contract? I assumed he would have been given 1.5 years, rather than 0.5. Shame if we lose him without really seeing him.
7th May 2021 09:56:04 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Saveloy- arguably not a very good one.
7th May 2021 09:54:09 
[146.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
08:26, KD. It needs no further analysis, your comment nails it and that is why the working class has turned its back.
7th May 2021 09:31:48 
[176.lo.gg.ed] 
middle aged don
Of course, the way to get the working class back on side is to continue to deride them.
Keith Starmer, or whatever his name is, is Gordon Brittas
7th May 2021 09:26:18 
[143.lo.gg.ed] 
Morning all
While trying to learn a bit more about Keir Startmer I just found out he took violin lessons alongside Norman Cook (a.k.a. Fatboy Slim) while at school in Surrey.
7th May 2021 08:58:03 
[79.lo.gg.ed] 
FWIW he is a "Sir" because of a 25+ year career as a public prosecutor - something which sets him up better for politics than most of these Oxford-Spad-MP careerists both main parties seem full of
Oh and I guess that the reason that people apparently don't seem to use their vote to oust politicians who are corrupt, lie and fight like 13 year old debating students is fairly simple. In the grand scheme of things and at a personal level, it doesn't really matter and people just don't care enough in sufficient numbers.
7th May 2021 08:48:55 
[51.lo.gg.ed] 
Indignation about their behaviour is a temporary in reality. Politics is a dirty business, like coal mining. Expect to get dirty if you take part.
OI - Not sure your assertion that the UK could’ve gone its own way on vaccines regardless of Brexit is politically realistic given no other country did until January when Hungary approved the Sputnik vaccine. It’s very probable we’d have been wedded to an EU approach.
7th May 2021 08:47:34 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
Not least because the EMA was based in London prior to 2019.
DO - I'd like a copy of Mission Impossible please. Email in profile to sort out.
7th May 2021 08:44:33 
[51.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Labour seem to be trying to be all things to all people and failing to be anything. They have lost the patriotic working class to the Tories and have lost the chattering classes who still haven't quite forgiven the Iraq war to gawd knows where.
7th May 2021 08:41:52 
[77.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
DO - agreed we got procurement right but that wasn't through brilliant motivation by Johnson. Also not joining the EU initiative was not dependent on Brexit, we made those decisions whilst still subject to EU rules. Boris's brilliance has been carving a career through Brussels, HIGNFY and various mistresses, so that mistakes and corruption that would sink almost any other politician have people going "That's just Boris being Boris, how droll".
7th May 2021 08:31:03 
[185.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
KD you are right, unfortunately Khan will be re-elected as Mayor by those who you describe!
7th May 2021 08:30:23 
[143.lo.gg.ed] 
keefy
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Surely Starmer precisely represents Labour voters, Keefy, ie metropolitan middle class professional liberals.
7th May 2021 08:26:27 
[109.lo.gg.ed] 
He’s perfect
How can Labour have a leader with a "Sir" before his name? They don't know who they are supposed to be representing!
7th May 2021 08:03:55 
[143.lo.gg.ed] 
keefy
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
John Major, Rutlish School (my school too!), our children used to refer to him as “Mister Smelly Socks” 🧦🙊
7th May 2021 07:58:35 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU