scotty - have the T&Cs changed so that DT members have higher priority than seaon ticket holders (assuming I buy an ST and opt out)? The nuclear option is to switch to relying on my debenture to get my seat at matches.

My mate Jim was telling me that O’Toole was better than Little at Tranmere, O’Toole then proceeded to have a nightmare ended when he was red carded for a reckless foul!!! Both Reeves and Little have gone off the boil lately which is largely why we have missed out on the play offs

OI - The danger with your "Opt Out Go Up" approach is having funded the club you probably wouldn't be able to watch the team get promoted at Wembley as you'd be so far down (not even on) the priority list for tickets.

RK - If you have an East Stand ST it is truly free. ST price frozen (early bird at least) and DT membership thrown in for nowt.

Little is currently on a three year contract.

Nicander- I totally agree on the “need for proper process” point, but I think that the chance of that actually happening is negligible at present.

Little to go.

Christ, this is all tedious - anyone care to estimate odds on Little signing a new deal?

Can I clarify I meant the DTB needs a reduction in membership, not the Trust as a whole?

Thanks Nick. Er i think i understand!

Nick W - Whether some winding down of the DT is or isn't the right thing to do (bit of both, probably, it certainly needs substantial change and a reduction in membership), the hill I will die on is that it cannot be right to do any of that without a proper discussion, debate and vote of members on the direction of travel. Breaking it down into little pieces and then not having votes on them just makes them look evasive and/or being manipulated by the plc and/or up to no good.

Away for a few days so I didn't see the SGM. Did they clarify what happens to the 'DTB subscription' when I opt out? If it stays with the club then I'm helping with the first team budget. "Opt out to go up!"

That’s what I have assumed (ie you pay for it even if you opt out), so not really free, more”included in the price of the ST whether you opt out or not”. To be fair I need to read the terms and conditions but even if you can opt out and not pay for the DT cost with the season ticket I don’t see the benefit of going to the extra hassle. To some extent what this will lay bare is that, standing back and looking at the structure from scratch, the DT is a slightly pointless body (ie we need it as a legal entity “box” to own the shares in the club but really it doesn’t need to do anything more and the sensible thing is to find some way of folding all of the governance into that of the club, like a normal company with a big shareholder).

I didn't know it was free until I read Kenty's post. By free, you mean they just add the £15/£30 to the ST price?

RK- why would you do that (ie turn down something free then elect to pay for it)? I must confess I haven’t really engaged with this (so this is a genuine question from me?) but what would be the benefit of buying DT membership directly rather than getting it bundled with the ST

Bit ridiculous that i get to vote on the minutes and accounts (legal reqs but who ever bothers) but not the membership scheme. Assume i can opt-out when i buy my ST, then buy as i normally do for £15 in Aug? Or is this wrong?

I would guess Marc Jones has the Squealer role in the Animal Farm spring revolution. I’d expect fan ownership propaganda to be cranked up, with central direction on how to vote on, say, 50%+1.

All this might be confusing to your average fan who just wanna watches some football. In conclusion: ST holders will now have Dons Trust membership included at no extra charge. For non ST-holders, the price of DT/DT+ membership has gone up by a fiver.

Pensioners can afford £17 extra per game they’re all loaded.

Silk - I agree with you on the process. I can be persuaded on the idea but the process has been a shambles and I’m pretty sure a ‘traditional’ SGM motion process wouldn’t have got anywhere near the same result as an email survey. Anyway the idea (reported on ProBoards) that this is something that “the club” wanted is eye opening. Don’t forget that the period where this would have been raised and pushed by “the club” we were still under a volunteer/DT insider MD and we suspiciously just hired a DT insider “digital transformation lead” with no apparent external process. The project seems built to fund a digital transformation of our database (again?). The whole thing stinks and shows why - even with the best intentions - recruiting plc leaders from DT cliques is fraught with risk.

For me the strangest thing about DTM/ST "debate" was the fact that this wasn't put to the vote amongst the members. This guestbook has shown that some people are for it and some people are against it. But if 87% of the membership had voted for it, as a hypothetical number, then the dissenters would not have any recourse to lambast the DTB about it. I have a cynical doubt that the DTB was not sure of getting the right outcome.

I saw some rather unrealistic talk on here last night about closing our losses by increasing season ticket prices- just to use some real numbers, if we wanted to eliminate our losses by increasing ST prices - assuming 7000 sales per game for 23 games, and noting that tickets include 20% VAT so an extra £1 on the ticket price only gives us 83p, to raise an extra £2.2m - our current operating loss- we would have to increase all ticket prices (including children and over 65s) by £16.46 per game (ie an extra £380 on a season ticket). Obviously the whole idea is unrealistic , and we don’t actually need to fill the whole gap, as we will always have some player sales,but it’s important to note that we can’t really solve our problems just by raising prices.

It’s an awful lot of effort for the DTB purely just to try and get me to buy a season ticket again 😊 What a fucking mess, again, from these fools who have big but empty egos and are willing to ride roughshod over everyone to try and validate each other in their own eyes.

Happy St George's day to all those celebrating!

Scotty - lifetime DT members will get a discount. No idea about hospitality but I guess they'll pay extra.