GG...Also waiting for the Archers, whist fishing on the River Tua in Mirandela.

 So; lap-top open and just under an hour until The Archers omnibus & Desert Island Discs. What to do............?

 As much as I despised the moneymen in football. It has undoubtedly raised the technique of players generally, coupled with the rule changes. Even the national team looks as if it can compete as a near equal, rather than just through the prism of bulldog spirit. But, and it's huge money doesn't buy the passion that was exemplified by our team and other battling sides who know its more than just about making a living.

 Is that dreary Euroshit over for another year

 lurker - I'm a very competitive sod, so I'd rather no-one eased up on me. The margin of defeat shows you how much you need to improve. In yesterday's Guardian Barney Ronay mentioned a (possibly apocryphal) old Chinese saying along the lines of defeat should be celebrated because it is educational. And I f@cking HATE being patronised :-)

 Ha, ha, ha! Naz's post at 21.17 actually had the Estonian flag on it (will be gone again now, obvs.).

 TGG do we mention the irony that your french flag became German?

 TGG there is a gap though between showboating and easing up. In terms of that cup final I’d rather there was some kind of control that meant rich clubs couldn’t just buy success.

 (ironic that I get a French flag when I went to a French school for 14 years)

 RK isn’t that the basis of the whole voting system on that programme for years?

 morning troops. With regard to the cup final, I have a question: would you rather have a much better opponent play to the best of their ability and grind you into the dust or put it to bed and then go easy on you to spare your blushes? When I was at university, our basketball team won the third division (not bad for a bunch of students) but then we came up against Oxford (all 6' 7" yanks) in a Uni cup competition. They stuffed us by about 80 points and they kept on competing to the last second. I'd still much rather that than them getting 20 clear and then show-boating.

 RK isn’t that the basis of the who,d voting system on that programme for years?

 Lurks - xenophobia?

 I really don’t get why people are linking leaving the E.U. to a television contest that involves 40+ countries, (based on a cooperation among tv companies), only around half of which are in the E.U.

 Leave Eurovision at same time as EU. Problem solved and more money saved.

 No point uk entering Eurovision really - we never really had any friends in Europe in the past and Brexit will have alienated any we did have - it’s just an embarrassment coming last every year

 A good result for me. I won the family sweepstake. I'm glad I didn't have the UK. 😉

 Is it safe to come back,are u tarts finished with Eurovision yet?

 North Macedonia trip everyone?

 When's Madonna on?

 I'm watching Chicago on Sky Arts.

 Madonna performing to the Cadbury's Fruit & Nutcake theme seems quite appropriate.

 Well, Madonna would not win if she was competing

 Lurker you should add a bottle of red and 3 to 5 fully packed spliffs its nuts

 Surely those odds are skewed for the UK customer base?