Actually you might assume that Martin has a higher opinion of this place than the other DTB members apart from Ian. It is a small percentage of fans who post here and there is more 'rough and tumble' than some of them would like. I still contend it is a mistake to ignore us and I hope any current DTB member appearing to drum up votes in the autumn get short shrift.

The trouble is that when the DTB can get something such as simple communication with the membership so badly wrong, wtf is it doing with the more important issues!!!

The thing is this was predicted when it was announced. Its not a wanting things to fail, quite the opposite, but the overall experience from previous dealings with it, or, for me, in my wife's case was woefully lacking and a generally unpleasant event. She's more savvy with this stuff than I so trust her judgement on these things.

When Martin is the mouthpiece on here for the DTB you know things have gone badly wrong

Discord may be fine for a message board system (particularly one where the top priority seems to be the facility for censorship/ "moderation" of discussion rather than encouraging access) but it is clearly not the system that you would use for online meetings, given that there are a couple of applications for this which are pretty universally used in the real world (ie Zoom/ Teams). That said, I realise that the DT probably don't care that much about member engagement (particularly where that would take the form of questioning their decisions and asking awkward questions) and that having a meeting from which 95% of members have self-excluded is probably not considered a problem. Really, though, if you are having a meeting which 95% can't attend it's probably better just to drop the pretence and not have the meeting at all.

When the use of Discord/Dischord is inevitably abandoned in favour of something more sensible/manageable, just watch when we are told “…it’s not because it failed, it just proves how we are always listening sympathetically to the membership….” 🤪😂🤷🏻‍♂️

Martin - just give it a break and accept the DTB have got it very badly wrong with Discord which is now the problem and not the solution. Try listening to the Membership for once and stop talking AT it - that ain't working and won't work with intelligent people. And, with your continual refusal to understand the situation, perhaps you should consider standing down from the DTB.

I hope you didn't run it over, I know what you cab drivers are like. :-)

Nice to see large hedgehog 🦔 in the front garden tonight, haven't seen one around here for over 30 years

Pads - Louise is definitely a she. 👍

Excellent re Ferret. (She's definitely a she, I believe ) . That's encouraging.

Hopefully Ferret can answer questions on the new constitution as I understand they have been involved in the new version.

Please answer that,Martin.

I don't/won't join Discord because I don't want to download an app onto my phone and share personal details with it. Does that mean that under the new constitution, which is presumably only being discussed on Discord, that I will be disenfranchised?

Yes but Leddy anyone can post on here and, within reason, can post what they like. People agrrr and disagree with people all the time. I can disagree with you on subject a bit agree on subject z. I know some don’t like the disagreements but isn’t that better than the censorship and awkward collective self-muting on discord?

I have used zoom a fair bit over the years whilst communicating with clients in Australia and America and always found it an excellent communication tool and my company always thought it was good value, do we have the right people in place negotiating plans and costs?

I've never used Zoom although I use Microsoft Teams periodically for work with both Sainsbury's and Wandsworth Council. I looked up the cost of both and it does look like the DT has the wrong contract. No way should we be paying £3k a year.

Shouldn’t members be consulted on the new constitution? Or have I missed something?

Looks like someone had their pants pulled down over the Zoom deal [Link]

TbK - I fail to understand how zoom is costing almost £3,000 per year, based on numbers attending. It looks like the DT are set up on the wrong plan, and maybe have a chat with an account manager at Zoom to work out a better deal?

Ledd - very true, and also confirms why I won’t join Discord… 🤪

Can you explain what changes there are proposed to voting if we adopt the constitutional changes? In particular why Zoom would be needed before but, I presume, not afterwards.

A4E, if you were on Discord and had never been on here you might well have the same opinion this site as you have of Discord from reading all the comments. WUP's like walking into a strange pub and it only makes sense if you're on here all the time and get to know the regulars and keep up with the conversations.

I haven't tried either Proboreds or Discord but what I hear is that the latter isn't intuitive. That means a big learning curve just to get it to work, let alone use all its functions. Just haven't got the time for that

354 members Martin. Tell George and Reece to get their head out their arses and get the hint. It’s doesn’t work, no one likes it! 95% of member are telling you that by not joining in 5 months!