I can tell you when I’m at a football match and observe the minute’s silence for Remembrance it is fully genuine. Shame if it’s perceived as (or indeed creeping in as fact) to be virtue signalling.

I can imagine it becoming a tradition to clap after the Last Post and in a couple of decades time for people to be grumbled at because they didn't clap. The one thing we seem to have lost that was key between the world wars is 'never again'.

CW - no coach to Cardiff.

Thank you Nick D I was searching for the term virtue signaling & couldn’t think of it, that’s exactly what it is

I agree with WTID. I have got stick for this in the past, but that's fine. I revere the silences we have on 11/11 and Remembrance Sunday. Football doing their own version is unnecessary. It's a form of virtue signalling and cheapens the occasion in my eyes. As for poppies on shirts - done for ludicrous PR reasons, not any genuine sentiment or respect for the fallen.

Laurence - not at all but my point is that there is already a time for the nation to fall silent, 11am on Nov 11th, so why do football clubs feel the need to hold there own sometimes a week or more before that date? the guns weren’t silent at 3pm on a Saturday the week before* & asking thousands of pissed up tribal football fans to keep silent for 2 minutes hardly ever works.

Disagree with WTID & swiggy it's a very decent tradition for football fans to honour those who sacrificed their lives in the world wars and more recent conflicts. Closest home match to 11/11 and do it properly.. Good opportunity for parents to teach their kids about how to show respect properly.

I agree with WTID, 11am on Remembrance Sunday (for the nation) and on 11/11 (for individuals) if not the Sunday.

2 Europa League games last night that were previously European Cup finals, Forest v Malmo(1979)and Feyenoord v Celtic(1970) shows how much football has changed none of those 4 would get anywhere near the Champions League final these days

And will it be possible to start Asiimwe ahead of Sasu?

Looking at our opponents tomorrow they have played against we 3 CBs 7 times with a 3-1-3 split. Two of those losses come against the 3-4-3 so maybe tomorrow go with Browne, Bugiel and Hackford? Maybe Hippolyte in for one of them in a forward role?

It is good to have a remembrance ceremony and it does nobody any harm to keep silent for a period. On the other hand, the overt policing of how respectful individuals are seems a bad idea to me and there is a rachet at work too, no act of remembrance can ever be done away with but new ones should always be added with enthusiasm.

CW - I did check train times, and have considered staying in Bristol after the match, to meet up with friends. Still considering.

WTID - two minutes out of your day maybe two or three times. Is that too much to give?

Anyone else waiting with bated breath to see if the club run a coach to Cardiff?

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I should ad that my posts are responding to what I believe was some posts about silences that were ruined by people shouting/ruining the moment

Apologies for a few typos there I’m posting on a small shitty phone on a short break at work with my fat sausage fingers.

Due to time difference it’s hard to respond to some posts in a timely manner but I wanted to just give my opinion on having a minutes silence on Remembrance Day. I’m sure many will disagree but I can’t really get my head around why clubs have to hold these at all, depending on fixture dates & how many games you attend you’re sometimes going through it 2 or 3 times before the actual date of the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, that’s when the Nation comes together to pay their respects so why can’t hat just be it? All these others often days before the proper thing just water down the importance & meaning of it. All in my personal opinion of course

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Postie - exactly, it was ever thus… 🤷🏻‍♂️

Palace fans fighting against themselves and young boys having a ding fong have I gone back to the 80s ?

Sorry, OI not IO 😬🤷🏻‍♂️😂🤦🏻‍♂️