It's not quite the only model Hash as a full sale would achieve the same result and the whole ground being sold out from under us is unlikely to happen again. But I do agree that we simply can't carry on as we are (though i do harbour a concern that the shadier side of SSC may cause friction with the IFR/EFL) so while I am content to scrutinise this to the nth degree I also hope that it passes the vote (it will) and works out in the medium term (impossible to say either way.)

Hash - and that is exactly where we’re at. We can’t sustain L1 long term. We can’t sustain PL in non-league. So a perfect storm that leaves us with no option.

Ultimately if we want to be a L1+ club, or even a L2+ club playing at Plough Lane then this is the only model that will make that feasible and its the closest we will get to being 'fan owned', owning the stadium etc. If we want to be conference minus then fine reject it but Plough Lane probably isn't a feasible stadium in non league so consider that too.

On the pitch owners thing, IRC - we were told it was looked at but not feasible to replicate what Chelsea have. Does anyone know why?

Yes re pitchowners. That's something we could do to protect younger fans coming after us from some of what we went through.

If we get the 16 million it keeps us struggling along for the foreseeable future. I'm dubious we'll get anything further but 16 million is more than I expected. If it falls apart before we get that then we are screwed anyway.

Agreed Nick - it would be good if our representatives on the trust board started moving towards a pitch ownership situation so that the inevitable full sale can go ahead with mitigated risk.

“Once SSC reaches 65 per cent of the club’s value, it can nominate replacements for independent directors when their terms end, which would need approval from the PLC board.” As I keep saying, I don’t see how we have a choice now. But please don’t use “we’re still fan owned!” to paint this as an incredible deal that pleases everyone. This ends in a takeover. The direction of travel is set and it’s never going to be reversed.

There’s quite a few doubts, partly because it seems too good to be true to have someone put in £86m without full control, but a) we will be in a perilous financial situation otherwise and b) I’m honestly fed up of seeing us struggle in league one. We only get a limited time on this planet and I’d prefer not to use it watching turgid attritional football. It looks like we retain control of Plough Lane. With the safeguards put in place this is as good as we are going to get.

Mir is very odd indeed. It is quite difficult to believe he actually exists, although he clearly does. I fear he does seem like a fantasist.

I sit somewhere between Nick and Pads - the whole reason for me supporting a football club is to enjoy watching competitive football. I have no idea how Bertrand’s vision will pan out same as I have no idea how JJ’s tenure would go if we carry on as we are. I do care about the business side of things but I’d like to not have to as much as possible. That’s not down to Wimbledon that’s just the way football is nowadays. My attitude is very much let’s just get on with it because the alternative option is painful in the short term at least. I don’t congratulate the board on bringing us to this point I think successive boards have mismanaged everything since 2019 and that gives me no confidence that this deal is going to work out well but time waits for no man and debts need repaying. Nobody can tell how this will work out and in the meantime let’s try and stay up this season.

Nicander, what makes you think Omar Mir has changed his name? What was he called before?

For me the football side is irrelevant to me (other than Bertrand clearly being a 'jobs for the boys' appointment). We need money to survive. I was thinking we need someone to come in and take a minority interest in return for some finance to keep us on an evil keel. What we've got is a group of people I have a visceral dislike for who want to, for whatever reason, transform the club with some insane financing. But as I said, it's that or nothing now, so what option do we have.

The football side worries me too. Concerned that it will be a grander version of the time when Robbo was persuaded to manage us with the help of that twerp Daniels and his flash tech. It's been marvellous having human beings scouting by going to watch real blokes kicking a ball about.

Yeah there are a couple of similar websites that list company employees and they go on forever and all the headshots look eerily similar plus some of the folk are not people I’d want to be associated with. Pretty sure AI was used to make his video as well but I think we’ll all just have to get used to that as it’ll become more common. Doesn’t build trust with me but it is what it is.

My feeling when googling Mir is that every website looked like it was made on the show Hustle - creating the fake digital estate they needed when about to con their next victim.

That said, if it didn't end in tears, it would turn out to have been a great deal.

What I would say on Mr Mir is that it is perfectly possible for him to come from a very wealthy, very private family. However, there are a number of red flags, including: changed name at least once; seems to have come out of nowhere in last c.3 years; no declared single source of wealth; in the last few years has established credibility for himself by securing advisory roles that were conceivably paid for by him (eg King's Trust, Imperial); bought a barony; involved in a nascent technology that has a lot of theoretical money flying around but not as much in actual assets.

Simple take for those of us that can't be bothered reading the 60 pages [Link]

Based on recent form I can only see an away win tomorrow and if other results go against us we could be in the relegation zone by full time although I think that’s relatively unlikely. Struggling on the pitch already and talk of change off the pitch often doesn’t help teams perform so I think we risk another 0-3.

I'm just always a bit suspicious of people who advertise their philanthropy. In my experience true philanthropists (like Warren Buffett) don't shout about it. In any case I'm not at all interested in philanthropic credentials when it comes to owning or running a football club. I'm solely interested in their business credentials. Have they got successful records of building businesses?

Don’t forget those checks have been done by Mr Mir’s solicitor and our solicitor. Not casting any doubt on their professional conduct but they’re both both represent parties who want this deal. I don’t know to what extent the IFR and EFL look into these things. Suspect we’ll only know whether SSC is to be trusted some way down the line and even then look at what happened with Sheffield Wednesday their most recent owner was good at first but then went bad when their money ran out and they didn’t handle it well.

Yeah not comfortable with these people and to be honest for a high net worth individual there is really not much information about this Omar Mir bloke that is public but if all the checks have been done then you'd hope to trust that process. I am voting yes because 1. The alternative is at best the same thing happening in 6 months but probably with worse terms for us 2. I want us to be a good football club and I want to enjoy myself when i go to football and i like what they have said about football (of course proof will be in the pudding). 3. The protections seem good to me.

Aideen - Thanks for the Mikey T link 👍

Yeah ,sam or worse waiting for us in administration. Those voting against need to understand that!