Silk-it all depends on what you expect, people are starting to talk us up as promotion candidates but if we can’t even beat Salford who were 3rd bottom before the game then we are mid table fodder at best

Trigger-we copied the model of others like Exeter rugby and put all the money into the one big stand

Looking at the extended highlights I am less worried about things. Apart from their goal they didn't show them having a decent chance. For us we had the chance which may or may not have been a goal and two decent chances after that. On another day we might have won that game. You can ask did we create enough chances to deal with being unlucky and did we create enough so luck did not play a part. There does seem to be an over-reaction when we lose. We are a team with a mid-table budget who have found a way to over-achieve. Sometimes it won't work. Saddling us with more debt for a capacity upgrade we will rarely fill seems to be an over-reaction.

How much did the footings cost because I believe they are supporting the most weight they can? If you have to start laying entirely new foundations then the costs are going to go up a lot. If it was financially viable it would be ridiculous not to have been looking at it. But I suspect the Return On Ivestment would put any potential commercial lenders off so some sort of enabling development or private fundraising would be required.

How tf did we manage to spend so much money on one stand?

Thanks KD, that makes the case for an upgrade even more attractive.

The three temporary stands cost £1.45m combined. It’s in the ‘We Are Home’ book.

I thought the 3 temporary stands combined cost circa £7.5M so the £5M seems Bit high, but none the less it's still worth looking at IMHO. And if the club has invited them to the ground to discuss any options available then it's been done on the quiet.

You are assuming that there have not been discussions Alan? The finaces look difficult. Say we needed to borrow £5 million at 8% for 10 years to finance a development, you would need to raise £9 million over the 10 years to make it viable, so £800K per year. Assuming you can get £400 per annum per punter, you need 2,000 extra seats.

OI, the first thing to do would be to contact GL Events UK, the supplier of the temporary stands and have that chat with them to see they could adapt one of the stands to be able to go back and higher. They have the details of what's been made and installed already. It does no harm to ask. If you look at their website there are a few examples of stands that are two tiers or more rows of seat in a single incline, that resemble a better version of Gillinghams away end. The south stand would be a good one to do like that.

It would be great to have more capacity but the big problem is how to fund it and whether the return on expenditure would make it financially viable. Enabling commercial income seems essential to any plan.

Morning all. If you can be arsed, SW19 on yesterday now up - [Link]

I think any talk of whether we're good enough to challenge for promotion needs a look at the teams we're up against. There was a clear and strong top 3 last season - currently sat 2nd, 3rd and 6th in L1 - but looks much more open this season. It's hard to see who the outright promotion candidates are. We're clearly one of the best defensive teams in the division and have been strong at home for some time now. The big area to improve is to get more of an attacking threat away from home.

Too one dimensional for me. Mix the long ball up with some passing football at times. We have players who are capable but seemed to be programmed to lump it every time

We don’t look dangerous away from home and haven’t done since January, it’s a problem

Plenty of pace in Neufville but little end product.

Surrey Bob-for once I have to agree with you, no pace in the side since AAH left and we have only won 2 away league games this year

Spit, the Bromley away performance in the cup was testimony to the potential of being more attack minded, most people enjoyed that.

Oops the link [Link]

Interesting about the climbing number of fans season on season. Obvious pointer towards where our next big spend should go.

Think a full strength team,we are definitely play off contenders.. but also have to be brave away from home rather than steady eddie .which would be more entertaining and fans would love.

Could it just possibly be that this squad are not play-off contenders, as so many in here think, and that the reality is they are just an average top 12 side?

Losing against Bromley and Salford is not promotion form, it's not even play off form. We can't rely fully on our home form if we want to be more than just mid table. Jackson needs to find a way to be better away from home.

Need to see JJ put his balls on the coach to go away from home. Starting to look like Cheltenham was a lucky win. If we’re gonna challenge for promotion then away points aren’t to be ignored.

I thought Ball can play centre half?