For boxing fans, bbc4 Tuesday, part 1-4 of 8 about Mohammad Ali. Which usually means the follow up episodes will be on iPlayer. Starts at 10pm

It's random, isn't it?

OI - it’s weird how some people don’t get chosen and others have it multiple times, I’ve never understood that.

Keefy - I know what you mean about jurors’ capacity to make rational decisions, but that’s why there are 12, hopefully enough to end up roughly in the right place or scupper it because of nowhere near a sufficient majority. The alternative is to have some sort of bar to clear before someone can serve on a jury - how would that be determined, by life experience or by level of educational qualification, or some other way? Having more cases decided by magistrates seems like a good idea to me (I should know, I was found guilty myself, although to be fair I pleaded guilty….), but juries seem quite good for bigger cases - I have to say, most people on the juries I’ve been on were good at listening and reasonable about being “fair”.

Too old to do it again although I am sure that I am more compus mentis than some judges

I never got picked for jury duty but then I've almost never been picked in any raffle.

True a4e, i've done it twice with one banged to rights with the evidence. The second was not guilty as per the evidence but we all felt that he had something to go with the crime.

Also done 3 jury stints over the years including the Old Baily. Outcomes are very much influenced by each sides lawyers. In The old Bailey case the defence brief ran rings around the prosecutions lawyers. A not guilty verdict given, Police not happy but must say some jurors a bit lacking in grey matter.

(that’s not me defending anyone in the Manc case, I can’t take sides as I wasn’t there on the jury or at the airport)

Re Manchester, I think that unless you’re in court, and you see all of the available evidence, it’s difficult to judge - last year when I did my third stint of jury service, the case looked like a cut and dried guilty case on the initial face of things, but once the full evidence was gradually revealed to us, the opposite appeared to be the case, and a not guilty verdict resulted… By far the most complex case I’d seen as a juror, but one which looked by far the simplest when we first walked in and saw the documents in front of us.

Eesh what a nightmare [Link] (non-footy)

Jury couldn't reach a verdict twice so that's that. But I agree with you Keefy.

OI - I’m trying hard not to use smileys/emojis - I know some people hate them, and that’s fair enough, but sometimes a picture, etc….

Spit - I think he’s signed for Sutton, not us, no?

Lol [Link]

Good first signing, even went to cheam high:-)

Yep

"Not a political post" is the new smiley after a sharp remark?

No retrial for Manchester airport alleged assualt on police! It's all on camera!

2020 was a massive opportunity and we blew it

Could be playing 3rd/4th place playoff on the 18th.

Now problem is we have a very strong Spain, Argentina & France and we're at best vying for 4th spot with maybe Brazil

I think that if England were going to win something, they would have beaten a very average Italy in the 2020* Euros

World Cup final is the following day - 19th July, not that I expect England to be in it.

In other news, we have Sutton in a PSF on the 18th July