effectively I don't think just get through this season is the answer - we've been living that way for 5 seasons now - we need an answer that gets us through the next 3 seasons without implosion.

Five people issued with a £200 fine, 400 people were present - go figure (sorry if AR) [Link]

Womble Wood gets a deserved wicket in Sri Lanka. 4 down now.

bluewomble I think the issue is, we might get in a couple more really good loans (a CB and a CM being key) and get Heneghan back and get the core 6 important players fit and back to form. We might even get another player like Heneghan who is hanging around without a contract. My issue is, about 2/3rds of this squad cannot play sufficient football to be a safe, middle of the table, league one team. Considering it's got to be 2-3 years at least before NPL kicks in, we'll likely be back in this same discussion next year.

I just wonder if we could get some players in on short term contracts or loans like we did in 2013, Aaron Morris, Michael Collins, Hylton. If they do well and move on like Morris did good luck to them as they have done their job for us.

dondog conceding 2 or more in (slightly more than) a third of your games isn't really a good performance. But you're right that has got worse. As discussed with Silk (I think) on the Sunderland game. While we posed a threat Sunderland basically locked down and protected the 1-0. When we removed McLoughlin and Longman they could attack and stuck another 2 past us. The more toothless we are the more teams are scoring. Without the threat teams can attack our seriously poor defence (which has to include the centre mids).

Bradford paid us something like 250K for Reeves and Poleon and that wasn't big business for them. They were the ones who had that midget German keeper who was woeful and pretty much threw the ball in for one of our goals against them. I don't think anyone who watched the implosion that went on there with owners, manager etc should be remotely surprised they have struggled.

It’s not even just the goals drying up, we’re also now shipping goals left right and centre whereas before we were on paper not actually that bad apart from the Plymouth game when we conceded 4. In our first 14 games (ie before this shit run) we only conceded two or more goals 5 times - that’s not all that bad. Of course, we know it was worse than that sounds as the goals we conceded were matches when we yet again conceded a lead. But an average of 1.2 goals per game conceded was pretty good really

DO - Just off Ilford High Street I think. Spartan had some details.

Bluewomble Bradford were a basket case club who fucked up by seriously over reaching. Southend have finally had their constant overreaching catch up with them. I wouldn’t use either of those as an example. Northampton and Plymouth are nearer examples of clubs like us. Both of whom have been up/down/up during our time in league one. The biggest problem would be if we spent money we don’t have to try to survive and still went down.

OI - I too was at the Frenford match. It was played at some ground up in NE London, can't remember which.

League 2 will not be a barrel of laughs either, Bradford and Southend are having a whirl of time so its not going to be any easier with the squad we have. Crawley outplayed in the FA Cup. I'd rather make a fight of it in league one than league two.

To be clear - where I said when we came up, I mean conference to league two, we were out of our depth. (Although obviously same could be argued about going up to league one).

93rd if you look back on here it was being called out at the time that we were being outplayed early season, limited possession, struggling to get possession and warning signs that if the goals dry up we're in trouble. The goals dried up, we're in trouble. I don't think things changed so much as what you could see coming, has now arrived.

I think the difference for league 2 next time around (which honestly is likely to happen at some point in the next few years) is being a club coming down from league one. When we came up we were out of our depth. We were still semi pro entirely and struggled to move to a newer structure. We're now more of a professional club (as some point out regularly we're not much worse structured than a fair number of league one and two clubs).

(Obviously) much prefer Lge One where the standard of football is better + you get a few *big* teams falling from the EPL like Pompey, Sunderlund & Ipswich. Makes for a more interesting campaign BUT getting to be the league whipping persons EVERY year is a pisser no doubt. Lge Two in "meh/OK" but Conference would be marmite [YUK]. Fortunately only two down so we would have to be double Marmite [BLEUGH]

The season started so brightly... something happened ... I guess conceding in the last minute so often gnawed away at the team .. and then the rut began .. but I feel we can turn this round .. but by skin of our teeth . Crewe can be beaten tomorrow but need a solid defensive display .. play 9 at the back ...

BlueWomble agree ...older Pros with the passion of Wordsworth... never forget him jumping into crowd at Luton after Seddons goal .. Our heads are down and confidence is low . We need 3 point wins and two in a row will shine a different light .. I like Hodges as he is cool and knows his football ..but a defensive approach is needed we must stop losing run ...

I instinctively feel that whatever the question, League 2 isn't the answer. I understand the kind of psychological masturbation about relegation not being so bad, but I'd rather we fight against it as best we can.

League 2 was not all sunshine and daisies, we struggled there most seasons until we put that run together out of the blue. JP's video comes across as a little defeatist as survival is very much in our own hands. A couple of experienced signings would galvanise the squad as I think we are only 2-3 signings away from being an average league one outfit.

I was in the Frenford Few, although I seem to remember it was a reasonable contingent of us.

I applaud Joe, he is not Barrack Obama or Melyvn Bragg, I do not expect him to meet the great orator standards expected by a low league one Football club.. To me he seems an honest decent bloke and is doing his best ... the disparaging Trumpian remarks IMO are not necessary ( y,know) .. Silent Joe ( now I’m using childish language ) is Now Y,know Joe then ? Or is it Scratchy Joe ? I remember the written article in the programme by Luke whose view is that sometimes it is best to say nothing at all ..Joe have a chat with Luke ..saying nothing sometimes is good and clever comms ....

Doncaster, Fleetwood, Rochdale, Burton... Franchise. It's not like we are in a league full of glamour clubs and big away days right now.

Oh, and numerous others I can't bring myself to mention.

And Crawley, KD. Don't forget Crawley.