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First thing to go in my view is the auto-membership all it does is put a head count on ticket holders. What is point if those said holders " just wanna watch football...e.g. 90% of them. DT membership through enlistment rather than enrolment through wanting to, serves no one. If the "club" want to have participants for marketing, that shouldn't be offered as being part of an ownership scheme. Like it or not, those who aren't intvested in the DT, dilute the level of involvement in which tangible and measured interest occurs. So you get ridiculously poor responses both as percentages of turnouts and the ability of changing things as unobtainable membership of voters are interested enough to vote the changes through.
19th Nov 2025 16:22:22
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Tell people the club is going to the wall, people will put their hands in their pockets, doesn't equal wanting to own the club, or the problems that go with it. This needs a hard ass solution and by people who are hard assed enough to take the reins and invest in the things we can't as fan owners, afford.
23% of members vote in an election! Surveys are pretty useless because of course the question is "Do you want to stay fan owned?" not "Are you willing to pay hundreds of pounds extra a year so we can stay fan owned?"
19th Nov 2025 16:06:00
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
We cannot have it all. We have to give up something that is the least unpleasant. Some want to remain fan owned, have a competitive League One squad, keep ticket prices and discounts as they are, and stay solvent. It ain't happening chaps. Sorry to break it to you.
19th Nov 2025 15:55:35
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I would prefer to stay in League One but if we cut our budget and can achieve all the other things, I'll still have my hobby at a price I'm prepared to pay. Go down a different path and we could lose more than our League One place.
Those who vote will be predisposed to fan ownership or nothing, especially the way the question is asked. If you ask do you want to remain fan owned, without setting out the implications of that, good and bad, members will keep saying yes. They don't ask anything about how much they are prepared to commit financially to remain fan owned and competitive. If they did, we'd get a different answer as I doubt many would accept huge ticket price rises (with most of it falling on adults to subsidence our ever growing categories of concessions). I doubt many would be happy to make donations on an ongoing basis to fund the shortfall.
19th Nov 2025 15:48:59
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
No idea Kerry, but it has always been near unanimous to remain fan-owned.
19th Nov 2025 15:33:50
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Very difficult to argue and challenge really
Just what percentage of those surveyed actually actually vote?
19th Nov 2025 15:27:13
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Yeah could that Laurence. Not sure if that would increase traffic through the club shop which is very busy at certain times. You would need more security along the way to block off certain areas.
19th Nov 2025 15:22:52
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Capacity would be low also once you get furniture etc in there, so you would regulary need to have a counter to make sure its not over capacity. One in, one out 😉
6MD, the reason DT say that fan ownership is non-negotiable is because the members at every occasion have indicated via a vote or survey that this is their wish.
19th Nov 2025 15:20:36
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
6MD, let me clarify that I am NOT in favour of increasing ticket prices, I am saying that if we want to be a sustainable club with our current ownership model, this has to be on the table.
19th Nov 2025 15:19:41
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
The simple one is no discounts in West Premium blocks.
19th Nov 2025 15:05:20
[86.lo.gg.ed]
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
I'm not talking about removing discounts completely. I'm talking about the plethora of categories and the fact they are given in all parts of the stadium. Make over 65s and under 16s 50%of a full adult price for certain parts of the stadium. If they want to sit in the west stand premium seats they can but they have to pay the full price.
19th Nov 2025 14:55:44
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We've got some on here wanting to bump up ticket prices and others wanting discounts. Somebody has to fund our ongoing losses. Personally, I'd accept relegation to a level we can afford but I'm in the minority. I don't expect somebody else to subsidise my hobby but I want that hobby to exist at an affordable price.
Name a club that doesn't give discounts to children and/or students and/or pensioners
19th Nov 2025 14:38:58
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
While the club is heading towards oblivion, the focus of the DTB is rewriting a constitution for something that may cease to exist or celebrating another award it's won for a sustainability index that is so flawed in it's concept it would be laughable if this was not so serious.
19th Nov 2025 14:28:37
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Original investors in the PLC would only get any money for their shares in a sale if a new owner wanted them or full control. I can see them only wanting some of them if we went down to 50% + 1 and they don't have enough for 75% control, so maybe selling up would not give a bit of cash back to all shareholders.
100% agree with everything you've said Six Million Dollar Man
19th Nov 2025 13:55:49
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
If we did sell up completely, we'd have no say over matchday ticket prices or anything else. Other than the inner circle, we don't have much say now but they're unlikely to do anything radical, otherwise they already would. They can't even get past the ridiculous discounts we offer to sit anywhere in our stadium.
19th Nov 2025 13:46:23
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On the plus side, at least those of us with shares in the PLC would get some money for them, which most of us have long since written off. If we get brought out of administration, shareholders rank below creditors, who would probably only get paid a few pence in the pound, leaving shareholders with nothing. Just saying.
If the majority don't want to balance the books by reducing player wages and accepting relegation to a level we could sustain without outside investment then we would be better off selling up now while we have some say in the matter. The stadium is owned by its own legal entity. I'm not sure legally if you could hive it off so that it sits outside the group so an administrator couldn't get their hands on it. Ditto a prospective new owner. The problem is that is where most of the value is so an administrator is unlikely to find somebody to pick up the debris in a fire sale or a new owner willing to pay money for little more than fresh air. This would result in the club being liquidated and ceasing to exist.
19th Nov 2025 13:31:04
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Why anybody would invest or lend to a loss making business with no strategy to turn things around is beyond me. Somebody would need to see value somewhere and would want control and ownership over everything, including the stadium.
The reason administration is inevitable is every communication from the club or DTB talks about fan ownership (sic) being non-negotiable. They fail to understand what a football club exists for. The lack of interest in the DT will ensure nothing changes, hence administration. Footballers are greedy. Supporters demand success. Somebody has to pay up or shut up. Most supporters see football ownership akin to socialism, i.e. they want somebody else to pay. The issue is somebody else does pay for 99% of other clubs. I don't even know what the mission statement and strategy of our club is. I don't know what most supporters want as we keep getting fan ownership rammed down our throats.
19th Nov 2025 13:22:25
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Anything is non-negotiable until it isn't, including fan ownership.
Stuart - you block off access to changing room areas, and have access from opposite the club shop. Reallocation of space.
19th Nov 2025 13:09:26
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
I have never craved for fan ownership but at the time it healed the wounds from our unjust move away from Plough Lane. Not prepared to pay extra to to maintain the present ownership model. If 50+1 is productive in bringing extra investment then great if not sell up and sink or swim like the vast majority of other football clubs.
19th Nov 2025 12:41:46
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StuD - cheers. Every time I pass it I think that we could do something with it.
19th Nov 2025 11:42:45
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Won't affect our bottom line, of course, but even a pub open before and after the game could be a nice little money spinner.
Nick R mentioned in at ‘Meet the PLC’ recently. I believe the rental was too high for us to afford and the club were keeping an eye on it in case it isn’t rented out and the asking price reduces.
19th Nov 2025 11:35:53
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
How much is it to rent the vacant retail unit on the corner of Greyhound Parade?
19th Nov 2025 11:34:41
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Long felt the club pub should be in there. Even if it means no unique stairwell.
We have the 3 lounges on the middle floor though? I would think the old offices wouldn’t be possible due to them being right next to the players changing area and access is highly restricted.
19th Nov 2025 11:30:30
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Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
I agree with Laurence about the ground floor. I reckon it would be popular to have a decent lounge or lounges there to go to before and/or after the game, get a seat in the warmth, buy a drink or three and maybe some grub, with the TV matches on in the background. Maybe season ticket/Dons Trust members only?
19th Nov 2025 11:18:32
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Wasn't Crystals at Selhurst like that?