Mate was playing In Ruskin house (lavour) Croydon over the weekend. They ain't too happy with Starmer. Mate took a photo of message on the notice board saying we didn't vote for this.with a list of their disagreements.

OI I'm not saying get rid of that - as I said it's the same process, just we could vote after hearing the whole debate. There's no logical reason to block that.

Has the DTB ever been fully democratic? It's always been the AFCW Politburo. No different now to 15/20 years ago

I think Labour advisers are saying get the bad stuff out of the way fast whilst blaming the Tories. You are there till 2029 and people will be worrying about how they feel then not how they felt in 2024.

Merton Council have kindly donated the Silver Lounge to the SGM on Monday 16th.

Lurker - I agree with your diagnosis, but I (obviously) think we can have a solid try this year at getting some influence back before any democratic efforts are finally put in the ground.

Why take away voting opportunities Lurker? If the window happens to be from the meeting onwards OK but I don't want opening voting beforehand to be banned by the constitution.

Put it this way. We have a proposal that's been made. Now strap yourselves in folks because this is the most outlandish thing you'll hear this century. Take the same FUCKING PROCESS. Send out the proposal. Have the meeting. Let people attend in person or on line. Share the meeting. THEN SEND OUT THE LINK TO VOTING AFTER IT. Does anyone have any logical reason why this doesn't make sense? Of course not. So what does the barely elected DTB do? The equivalent of scribbling NOOOOOO across it in big red crayon. They know that lots of people will only view their recommendation (which has no logic to it) and vote that way. Wake up people it's a dictatorship.

I’m landing the other way: no big decisions until the DTB has shown it is competent enough to handle them. Last 18 months or so has been a shit show. I had a good feeling on the 50%+1 strategy and the DTB looked on top of it, but it’s just been car crash after car crash and now I don’t trust this group to execute effectively.

There is a reason why we don't have the information to understand the issues, though. It's an issue caused by the same board who then ask us to trust them on their recommendations. Tell the membership as little as possible and then expect them to follow whatever your recommendation will be. That's not exactly a sound system of governance.

Not too sure who is advising Labour,but they seriously need to stop targeting pensioners and working class [Link]

100% Lurker! Just get the pitch, colours and name enshrined.

personally, right now, I think sell the fucking lot. A coup happened a couple of years back. Through manipulation, bullying, playing the victim and abuse of power. We are now in a position where a clique has total control of the club and are clearly not only acting purely according to their wishes but are deliberately abusing their power to block the supposed owners from doing anything about it.

To some extent the issue is that the elected DT members lack the competence to run a business but that the membership more generally are even less competent, as we don’t have either the time or the information to really understand the issues, so any debate about the boundaries between the powers of the members and the DTB is a bit pointless

Hear, hear, OI.

We can’t say the DTB is elected to represent the membership when there were uncontested elections. Fox, Liitle, Kitcher and Shepherd all unelected. Fox is now the chair of DTB and Little vice chair of PLC. Buckley as PLC Chair is unelected. Plus you have Teasdale, Longhurst and Folkes all sat on the board unelected. Currently if the same happens in December you could see the likes of Couper, Stewart and those other bellends get back on the board and then we really are in shit fight. Whatever happens at the EGM the bigger concern is December and having an even bigger mess to deal with.

The Dons Trust has a (roughly) £20m stake in a football club, which is a stake it needs to look after on behalf of its members, and is owed about £10m by the PLC, which it needs to recover so as to repay the £10m it's borrowed from people. Carrying out those things involves responsibilities for board members that don't arise for members at large, and an on ongoing level of familiarity with the affairs of the PLC/Club that members can't be expected to have. So I don't agree that DTB members should be unthinking servants of the membership's collective will. I also think it's right that, given their responsibilities, there should be a presumption in favour of their recommendations and hence a super-majority for a members' resolution (of course, a members' resolution can become a board-proposed resolution with a simple majority, if the board agrees with it). By the way, the above is not a justification for micro-management, and I think decisions about the management of the club are better left in the hands of the PLC.

I don't understand the delay in announcing the date of the Newcastle home game but I understand even less the delay in announcing the rearranged date of the Tranmere away game (although I appreciate I am in the minority wanting to know when that will be).

I’m struggling with how to vote on the resolutions without the guidance and recommendations telling me which way to vote… 🤪😉

Ric - There wasn't a lot to resolve. They knew immediately the draw was complete, two matches for w/c 16th and four matches for w/c 23rd. That is six of the sixteen matches. The European fixtures on Saturday enabled them to avoid clashes like Everton and Liverpool at home (the two Manchester clubs could not clash; they knew that weeks before either draw). All that is left is avoiding two local teams at home together, any police concerns and choice of prime time TV matches.

I don't disagree OI - the issue we have at the moment is that any committee, working group or otherwise tends to be manned by the same people and all seem to achieve the same fuck all.

Solidarity with the sutton united women's team.

I hear you, OI, but that doesn’t make them voting for. Underneath the ‘hype’, they are pretty weak.

5 Days on and still no idea when the home game to Newcastle is! I don't believe I am alone in being able to do certain days and not others. What can now be the delay after all the Euros draws etc.?

It is the path, the people who could be arsed to do something about what many see as serious problems, chose to take KD. You can disagree and vote against all the resolutions, I will pick and choose but they are entitled to put forward their stages of change because they got off their backsides.