So where does Father Ted fit in to all this?

Hardon ...and the Rangdo of Arg!

I see spiritual guidance from the Grand Mufti of Uranus.

Just invented a new word for what our government seem intent on doing. ’Islamplifying'.

...at least the Jedi and the Pastafarians don't seem to cause people to much aggro!

I don't wish to be classed as anti-Christian or anti-Islam or anti-semitic. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, I just don't believe in any religion. I'm also sure there are many historical treatises about the relationships between religions and human progress. And of course Christianity has had and will continue to have a bigger impact on life here than any other religion because we are/were a Christian country. My original post simply pointed that out.

Holland argues we find the Nazis so abhorrent - so ungodly - because Hitler believed in the strong killing the weak for the greater good. That's the polar opposite of Christianity. It hasn't always been that way.

Christian’s fighting back though - point of reference - Lib Dem ceo telling Lib Dem’s to stop being erm illiberal

DO - Yes. There's an excellent book by Tom Holland (not that one) on this called 'Dominion' [Link]

Silk - Your 6:55. You c&p'ed Darwin's post from around 1.5 centuries ago, didn't you...or was it 1.4832333c recuring?

Tom Swig - and it IS because Chritianity has become so tolerant (as has the western world generally), that other more medieval and ancient religions with less tolerance are taking advantage and are able to impose themselves on other religions and populations who are more passive.

KD - really? The Crusades. Most wars since modern man walked the earth. Remember that the only people the Shia muslims hate more than the jews are the Sunni muslims. Hitler's justification for all that was wrong in Germany.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam all helped preserve the wisdom of the ancients when it would otherwise have been lost.

Religion has been an enormous civilising force for good, to the extent that we don't even realise the power it still holds over us.

Spartan - I agree, but don’t forget the kiddy fiddling, religions love a bit of that…. 👀😯

Interesting OI, I'm RC and none of my compatriots fall in to the lobby groups that you mention. And all of those groups would have non-Christian supporters as well. I actually believe that modern day Christians are far more tolerant than perhaps in my grandparents' times. Anyway, if we are differing let's just agree to differ .... pax

There were the usual £5 and £10 automatic donation machines in the cathedral. It was well worth it to see such a beautiful building. The treasury was disappointing though compared with treasure houses like Durham. That was where the poster about its daily £2,700 upkeep cost was I think.

Maybe next time we play there they will have finished all the building work around the station that spoilt some of the views of the fortifications. Bitts Park was another nice play to walk along the River Eden.

Spartan 🤣🤣

For me, religion is just another word for corruption ............ and brainwashing.

And, amen to that. 🙏

$6m, i imagine they get legacies. Not sure whether there's any central funding from Govt. If any big projects are required, they would do a specific appeal (or crowd fund in today's language) plus grants

A4e - they are the only Gods that I take any notice of. 😇 🤣

The only gods we need to worry about are the football gods 🤪😂

RP - I wonder if Carlisle cathedral are able to sell a priest in the next transfer window to raise some much needed cash ? 🙃😉