When talking about removing concession discounts why do people only ever refer to premium seats in the West Stand? Why not also the East Stand premium seats?

OI - but any change is now all but impossible given how many disinterested DT members there are and how high the voting threshold is for restricted actions. Back in two ticks was a struggle and DT membership now 3(?) times greater.

If most of us can see the problems, then the people that are having serious discussions about investing can also see the problems and they have far greater leverage than us in forcing at least a serious attempt at change.

SB - sorry you said same as me but more succinctly!

Free DT membership for all ST holders all but guarantees that we will go into administration, as the chances of reaching the voting threshold for a selling out motion are effectively zero.

"So you get ridiculously poor responses both as percentages of turnouts and the ability of changing things" - exactly what the DTB wanted?

*aren't interested enough to vote the changes through

First thing to go in my view is the auto-membership all it does is put a head count on ticket holders. What is point if those said holders " just wanna watch football...e.g. 90% of them. DT membership through enlistment rather than enrolment through wanting to, serves no one. If the "club" want to have participants for marketing, that shouldn't be offered as being part of an ownership scheme. Like it or not, those who aren't intvested in the DT, dilute the level of involvement in which tangible and measured interest occurs. So you get ridiculously poor responses both as percentages of turnouts and the ability of changing things as unobtainable membership of voters are interested enough to vote the changes through.

23% of members vote in an election! Surveys are pretty useless because of course the question is "Do you want to stay fan owned?" not "Are you willing to pay hundreds of pounds extra a year so we can stay fan owned?"

We cannot have it all. We have to give up something that is the least unpleasant. Some want to remain fan owned, have a competitive League One squad, keep ticket prices and discounts as they are, and stay solvent. It ain't happening chaps. Sorry to break it to you.

Those who vote will be predisposed to fan ownership or nothing, especially the way the question is asked. If you ask do you want to remain fan owned, without setting out the implications of that, good and bad, members will keep saying yes. They don't ask anything about how much they are prepared to commit financially to remain fan owned and competitive. If they did, we'd get a different answer as I doubt many would accept huge ticket price rises (with most of it falling on adults to subsidence our ever growing categories of concessions). I doubt many would be happy to make donations on an ongoing basis to fund the shortfall.

No idea Kerry, but it has always been near unanimous to remain fan-owned.

Just what percentage of those surveyed actually actually vote?

Yeah could that Laurence. Not sure if that would increase traffic through the club shop which is very busy at certain times. You would need more security along the way to block off certain areas.

6MD, the reason DT say that fan ownership is non-negotiable is because the members at every occasion have indicated via a vote or survey that this is their wish.

6MD, let me clarify that I am NOT in favour of increasing ticket prices, I am saying that if we want to be a sustainable club with our current ownership model, this has to be on the table.

The simple one is no discounts in West Premium blocks.

I'm not talking about removing discounts completely. I'm talking about the plethora of categories and the fact they are given in all parts of the stadium. Make over 65s and under 16s 50%of a full adult price for certain parts of the stadium. If they want to sit in the west stand premium seats they can but they have to pay the full price.

Name a club that doesn't give discounts to children and/or students and/or pensioners

While the club is heading towards oblivion, the focus of the DTB is rewriting a constitution for something that may cease to exist or celebrating another award it's won for a sustainability index that is so flawed in it's concept it would be laughable if this was not so serious.

100% agree with everything you've said Six Million Dollar Man

If we did sell up completely, we'd have no say over matchday ticket prices or anything else. Other than the inner circle, we don't have much say now but they're unlikely to do anything radical, otherwise they already would. They can't even get past the ridiculous discounts we offer to sit anywhere in our stadium.

If the majority don't want to balance the books by reducing player wages and accepting relegation to a level we could sustain without outside investment then we would be better off selling up now while we have some say in the matter. The stadium is owned by its own legal entity. I'm not sure legally if you could hive it off so that it sits outside the group so an administrator couldn't get their hands on it. Ditto a prospective new owner. The problem is that is where most of the value is so an administrator is unlikely to find somebody to pick up the debris in a fire sale or a new owner willing to pay money for little more than fresh air. This would result in the club being liquidated and ceasing to exist.

The reason administration is inevitable is every communication from the club or DTB talks about fan ownership (sic) being non-negotiable. They fail to understand what a football club exists for. The lack of interest in the DT will ensure nothing changes, hence administration. Footballers are greedy. Supporters demand success. Somebody has to pay up or shut up. Most supporters see football ownership akin to socialism, i.e. they want somebody else to pay. The issue is somebody else does pay for 99% of other clubs. I don't even know what the mission statement and strategy of our club is. I don't know what most supporters want as we keep getting fan ownership rammed down our throats.

Stuart - you block off access to changing room areas, and have access from opposite the club shop. Reallocation of space.