And that's without mentioning in all the supporting nonsense that Pete mentioned earlier, notably subs benches and VAR.

I don't want "woe is me" talk either OI, but the fact is that we are unsustainable as FL league club despite recording record revenue last season. That tells you how fucked the football landscape is and that's because of the insanity at the top. I am happy you still find romance in the top level (I do at the foot of the FL and non-league), but for me, which arbitary collection of millionaire foreigners owned by billionaires and nation states performs better than all the others holds nothing of interest to me. I do look at it and ask, what the hell are we actually doing?

Needing to be bailed out (allegedly) to the tune of £1m, half way through the financial year, means somebody didn't do their job properly. Budgets scrutiny includes, not just income, expenditure and profit/loss but also a cash budget showing every month but not including depr. Ultimately, it's the Boards responsibility to approve the budget, and if they didn't give cash proper scrutiny, that's where the buck stops

Easy to say sack everyone. The difficulty is finding better people to replace them and solving the real problem of how to compete in a market distorted by the rich pumping in millions every year.

I don't have any TV subscriptions so my only experience is in the ground or matches free to air.

The entire boards need to stand down OI.

And I really, really hope they aren't playing the 'victim card' on Wednesday. We need to solve the problems, not moan how unfair life is.

Nick - romance isn't objective but it may well have been lost for you, in which case I'm sorry. I still love it, Champions League, us (sometimes), Corinthian Casuals or Sunday moining in the park (when it isn't waterlogged).

Nick W - I prefer athletics to modern football. Footy lost its shine for me long ago. Used to be great back in the day, but obscene amounts of money, VAR, incessant cheating, way too many subs, TV influence, poor officials (see ACN Final as an example), over-egged punditry etc etc, have all done their bit to ruin what was once a beautiful game. At least I remember when it was good. Most won't.

I’d argue football is also pure it’s eleven players vs eleven players and a beautiful mix of athleticism and skill.

To some extent the only really “pure” sport is Athletics, just a simple question who can run faster, but even that is nowadays distorted by hi-tech running shoes etc. and by doping

OI - it all comes from the top and it forces clubs to spend beyond their means just to standstill. We are victims of that as I'm hoping Wednesday's meeting will actually make people properly understand. But I guess at the crux of it all is the truth that football has lost its romance, and is now nothing more than a toy for some very rich people.

Darts on itv4 from frenzie land more fans there then in there stadium

VAR involves a great deal of subjective judgement (and that's why it's so bad for football). Horse racing wouldn't take place without the associated gambling. Dressage is the silliest activity to be classed by some as a sport.

The subjective judgment thing is bang on and in most cases it’s a perfect delineation between something that is a sport - ice dancing not a sport for example - the telltale on this is boxing. Used to be the purest sport. Sport of kings. Hit someone til they’re knocked out or can’t fight on. Brilliant. Introduce judges to decide who has boxed the best and the entire sport becomes a cluster dump of bribery and treachery.

… and while I agree that F1 needs strength and fitness, the winner is always going to be the driver with the fastest car, so it’s really an engineering competition

TS- as I say, it’s all arbitrary - I personally would say that anything involving subjective judgement ( ice skating, diving, BMX tricks, skateboarding, half pipe snowboarding etc.) is no more a sport than is ballroom dancing or literary prizes, but I know that others would disagree. Realistically any sport/game involving moving at all (including darts, snooker etc) needs a degree of physical fitness just to be able to keep concentration over a long game.

F1 definitely strength

You need a degree of physical fitness for archery

OI football just mirrors society, unfortunately

Nick W - Yep, good discussion subject.

Nick - There is an elite, there has been an elite ever since the Premier League arrived. If you really want to blame the elite try the Premier League. Personally I think it is the fault of clubs in the EFL, willing to make enormous annual losses across the 72 clubs.

Wonder if mr Mayo has delivered his findings on the DT elections yet. Something else to ask on Wednesday

OI - it might be tucked away on TNT, but that does not lessen the damage it perpetuates for the majority of clubs in this country.

If darts is just a “game” then so is archery, shooting, bowls and any else which is primarily about accuracy rather than physical fitness. You can divide the “sports and games” universe in numerous different ways (eg you could say that Formula 1, show jumping etc are not “real sports” because the effort is really being done by a machine or an animal) but any such division is going to be purely arbitrary and a matter of opinion - though of course still fun to argue about.