Russ - Harrogate have lost £5 million since they have come in the league which they owe to their owner. No matter what our ownership model these problems remain until football gets its finger out of its arse and addresses them.

 We had a successful, promotion-winning season last year in L2 and ran at a loss.

 Fan ownership is failing while we are in league one and two - we are losing millions each year. Let alone talk of champ/prem (although we would be sustainable as a fan owned club in the prem, given the tv revenue). All is good while we have more equity to sell, although that won’t be the case for much longer.

 And finally, yes I think we need to ask all DT members what is their poison. Is it to sell out in the hope of success or to accept our meandering about as we are.

 For my part I think both us and Exeter can compete in L2 and look to survive in L1 - just like Northampton really.

 Trigg - agreed; I’m not really interested either, and I certainly didn’t watch it - but I did quite like a comment I read earlier describing the outcome as a powerful illustration here regarding "influencers" vs. "experts"…. 😂👏

 Fan ownership only fails if you think that success is being in the Premier League or the Championship. If you are quite happy spending some time in L1 and some time in L2 then fan-ownership can work. And Northampton, who are not fan-owned, also share the same L1 and L2 life as us.

 Fan ownership has shown me lately that there’s not enough differentiation from private ownership. All the same problems and the same amount of ability to do anything about it. The main difference is clear - far less money.

 Anyone know when Issue 52 of Historical Don is out?

 Fan ownership just highlights how unequal society is. With a few individuals able to accumulate far more wealth to spend on a football club than thousands of hard working fans in good jobs.

 So good, he said it thrice ;)

 I can’t bring myself to have any interest in those things A4e I understand why a boxer may want to do it (for the money) but I don’t understand why anyone wants to watch it. Seems plenty do so fair enough but, like Strictly, it’s not for me.

 Exeter and ourselves are both proving that fan ownership doesn't work at this level with the current way the EFL is set up. If that doesn't change, and I don't see how it will, we change voluntarily or by financial force

 I agree with you completely Surbiton and Trigg - oddly, we looked reasonably confident for a while after equalising, but being unable to take advantage of our brief period of superiority has once again cost us…. 🙄 Boxing Day could be embarrassing…..

 Nice to see Anthony Joshua giving Jake Paul credit for his valiant effort in entering the ring against him - presumably Joshua could have finished the fight earlier if Paul had engaged, but with the event having a $300m purse, perhaps there was some contractual obligation to keep the paying viewers engaged for longer… 🤷🏻‍♂️

 That Bugiel penalty miss against Burton a real turning point but losing to Gateshead in the FA Cup a real frustration, could have at least given us something to look forward to in January.

 Still more than us CW

 We’re joint bottom of the form table (with Port Vale, who beat us) so things have clearly gone awry. I always look at goal difference as an indicator of whether a team will remain where they are in the table. Ours at -5 is the worst in the top half of the table and is actually the 6th worst in the division.

 Bizarrely, as recently as November 22nd, if we had beaten Wigan at home rather than losing to them, we would have been just a single point away from top spot in the division - here we are, less than a calendar month later, and we could potentially be 15th at 5pm and 17 points off the top… Let’s face it lads, our season is busted flush….

 Man City v Exeter tickets are only 20 quid so no one will be making a fortune out of that game

 OTD - Dean Holdsworth

 Jackson correct in saying we concede too many free kicks . Their 3 goals last all came from our stupid fouls I sometimes wonder if there is any grey between footballers ears.

 For their 3rd goal, I was convinced Browne committed a foul in their half, yet the free-kick was taken way inside our half.

 Exeter have drawn Man City away in the cup so Exeter will be able to strengthen!

 In fairness, we all knew this season would be a struggle, but we're feeling it more now because results were masking our weaknesses which meant we were in a false position. A descent down the table feels worse than if we'd bounced around midtable from day one. Get some pace back in the team and we might be okay. But expect January will leave us worse off than every other squad bar perhaps Exeter. Not sure how much any manager can do tbh.