TS-a cursory look at the World Cup history shows that West Germany took the lead in the 1958 semi final but lost to Sweden

Enzo is the one that annoys me. If you watch Chelsea, Caicedo is more the enforcer. Enzo is like Scrappy Doo to Caicedo's Scooby

Before this World Cup I never realised how much of a racism issue there was with Argentina. Seems the `Brazilians have constant problems with them from it.

Lurk's - you're forgetting that FIFA is an acronym for Fix It For Argentina

Preston - To get such revenge that PL player would need a transfer to Ligue 1

The suggestion seems to be he didn’t realise Bellingham would know what he said. But when you watch what he does, he appears to look for where Bellingham is and turns in away that would make what he said heard.

Barco is a ginger rat. Celebrated in England’s players faces after the first goal- was lucky not to be slapped. Would guess he abused Bellingham in Spanish after the match, provoking the Spanish-fluent Bellingham to slap him. Hoping an English Premier League player gets revenge on Barco.

In fact none of the Argentinians in the huddle have the slightest interest in defending Barco. Does make you wonder did they hear what he said or is he just a total prick thta they don’t like either.

Airsy the video of the incident shows it’s what happened then not earlier. Bellingham is approached by another player and shakes hands with them. All good. That player joins a huddle and Barco runs onto it as well. But clearly has his head turned to the left to where Bellingham is and is saying something. Which is when Bellingham visibly reacts and walks over and just and sort of slaps him, slap is more than it was. The interesting thing is the player right next to Barco pushed him away. And is obviously talking at Barco and trying to push him away. He has no issue with Bellingham. And even walks off. It’s a player who wasn’t in the huddle to rushes over to start on Bellingham. I think this is the best link I can find - will look for better. [Link]

10 year's ago we got knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland in the round of 16. Since then, we've been to 2 World Cup semi finals, 2 Euro finals and lost to France in a World Cup quarter final. 10 year's ago we didn't even have a manager on this day following Roy Hodgson's departure in June. Then there was the Sam Alladyce fiasco before Gareth Southgate took over. The last 10 years of watching England have been the most competitive in my lifetime and gave us genuine hope. I remember the 1970s and 1980s, when we were miles away. However, we never seem quite good enough. Yesterday was a missed opportunity but no bigger than 2018, when we lost to Croatia. Doesn't make it any less disappointing.

... and we've done it TWICE!!

Just read in The Times that we are the only country to have taken the lead in a WC SF and lose.

Tuchel has been exposed as tactically naive

[From BBC] "Jude Bellingham slapped Argentina substitute Valentin Barco on the back of the head following England's 2-1 World Cup semi-final defeat.".... "It is not known what prompted the reaction, but footage showed Barco running on the pitch after Enzo Fernandez's 85th-minute equaliser and celebrating in front of the England players."

If Southampton can get thrown out of a cup final...

Southgate 59.8 % win rate for England, Tuchel 72.8%win ,for England

For all the expansionist ideals of FIFA you could drive in a southerly direction from one of the WC semi-finalist's home stadium, passing by another one's, before arriving at a third's in less than 24 hours

I agree with Spit except it isn't just Premier League, any League 1, National League or Isthmian South East team struggling in November will have their fans yelling for the manager's head.

In my lifetime I've seen my country win the WC and my club the FA Cup. I'm happy to have witnessed those events, even if only once. Maybe the scarcity of each makes the memories even sweeter. Last night's effort was an embarrassing reminder of how far each team has fallen behind for one reason or another. At least our club has made a fist of it. Not so, England.

Agreeing with Spit...

Saw someone mention Lee Carsley somewhere earlier. Everyone must have forgotten that tactical masterclass of attacking play against Greece 18 months ago

Wasn’t just a poor result though. Was utter capitulation from a winning position and exactly the thing he was employed to not do.

I don't see how reaching the semis is an over achievement when we were ranked #4 in the world and reached the semis with teams 1, 2 and 3. That's exactly how it should pan out. We are out because Tuchel bottled it.

All of a sudden some of our fans have gone all premier league and want a sacking after a poor result:-)

Nick, I was bored so asked chatgpt for its candidates and it came up with: Pep Guardiola Eddie Howe Mauricio Pochettino Michael Carrick Lee Carsley Unai Emery Graham Potter Sarina Wiegman