RK when they get out, after only serving at the most 2/3 of their sentance a lifetime driving ban must be imposed and deportation to Sark where cars are not allowed

"Following the crash, Hussain's Apple watch automatically called 999 after detecting he had been in a collision. Unaware of the call, the pair were recorded talking about calling an Uber to leave the scene and reporting the car as stolen" [Link]

Ha ha, I had my suspicions but couldn't prove it - until now! That admission of skiving was exactly what I was waiting 30 years for Carshalton Womble.

Anyone remember Pafos who we played in a friendly in Marbella last July? Saw them win the cup last night in Nicosia after crazy scenes at the end with bottles and flares raining on the pitch game was nearly abandoned, ex Chelsea player David Luiz lifted the cup

Did jury service once at the Old Bailey. Had to chuck a sickie once first case ended as we had a midweek away game at Liverpool to get to and that took priority

A4e, the closest I have to a criminal record is having to do a speed awareness course five years ago.

The Manchester two are as guilty as fuck. How can the jury not find them guilty with all the evidence caught on camera. Half of the jury must be bent or they decided on political or religious bias, or they just don't like the police. If there had been no film of it and it had been by word of mouth, then you could perhaps be swayed, but it is there for all to see. It all sounds a bit fishy and corrupt to me. Now those bastards and others with the same mindset will think they can attack anyone and get away with it. The officers should see if they can bring a private prosecution or something against them.

Netflix vinnie thing is a good watch. Confirms Fash is a prick though. Hideous man.

Never did jury service or won the dons draw, and I’d love to do both! My mum was called for jury service 9 months after she died (aged 85)

You deserve it Meadow (the DD win, not necessarily the jury bit) - what surprised me was that someone with a criminal record is eligible for jury service (I don’t mean you, Meadow!), but I guess it depends on the seriousness of the offence and the time lapse since it occurred?

I've done Jury Service twice and won the Dons Draw twice - top prize just the once.

Sandy - yes, which explains why I have never won the Dons Draw….

For boxing fans, bbc4 Tuesday, part 1-4 of 8 about Mohammad Ali. Which usually means the follow up episodes will be on iPlayer. Starts at 10pm

It's random, isn't it?

OI - it’s weird how some people don’t get chosen and others have it multiple times, I’ve never understood that.

Keefy - I know what you mean about jurors’ capacity to make rational decisions, but that’s why there are 12, hopefully enough to end up roughly in the right place or scupper it because of nowhere near a sufficient majority. The alternative is to have some sort of bar to clear before someone can serve on a jury - how would that be determined, by life experience or by level of educational qualification, or some other way? Having more cases decided by magistrates seems like a good idea to me (I should know, I was found guilty myself, although to be fair I pleaded guilty….), but juries seem quite good for bigger cases - I have to say, most people on the juries I’ve been on were good at listening and reasonable about being “fair”.

Too old to do it again although I am sure that I am more compus mentis than some judges

I never got picked for jury duty but then I've almost never been picked in any raffle.

True a4e, i've done it twice with one banged to rights with the evidence. The second was not guilty as per the evidence but we all felt that he had something to go with the crime.

Also done 3 jury stints over the years including the Old Baily. Outcomes are very much influenced by each sides lawyers. In The old Bailey case the defence brief ran rings around the prosecutions lawyers. A not guilty verdict given, Police not happy but must say some jurors a bit lacking in grey matter.

(that’s not me defending anyone in the Manc case, I can’t take sides as I wasn’t there on the jury or at the airport)

Re Manchester, I think that unless you’re in court, and you see all of the available evidence, it’s difficult to judge - last year when I did my third stint of jury service, the case looked like a cut and dried guilty case on the initial face of things, but once the full evidence was gradually revealed to us, the opposite appeared to be the case, and a not guilty verdict resulted… By far the most complex case I’d seen as a juror, but one which looked by far the simplest when we first walked in and saw the documents in front of us.

Eesh what a nightmare [Link] (non-footy)

Jury couldn't reach a verdict twice so that's that. But I agree with you Keefy.

OI - I’m trying hard not to use smileys/emojis - I know some people hate them, and that’s fair enough, but sometimes a picture, etc….