Just read in The Times that we are the only country to have taken the lead in a WC SF and lose.

Tuchel has been exposed as tactically naive

[From BBC] "Jude Bellingham slapped Argentina substitute Valentin Barco on the back of the head following England's 2-1 World Cup semi-final defeat.".... "It is not known what prompted the reaction, but footage showed Barco running on the pitch after Enzo Fernandez's 85th-minute equaliser and celebrating in front of the England players."

If Southampton can get thrown out of a cup final...

Southgate 59.8 % win rate for England, Tuchel 72.8%win ,for England

For all the expansionist ideals of FIFA you could drive in a southerly direction from one of the WC semi-finalist's home stadium, passing by another one's, before arriving at a third's in less than 24 hours

I agree with Spit except it isn't just Premier League, any League 1, National League or Isthmian South East team struggling in November will have their fans yelling for the manager's head.

In my lifetime I've seen my country win the WC and my club the FA Cup. I'm happy to have witnessed those events, even if only once. Maybe the scarcity of each makes the memories even sweeter. Last night's effort was an embarrassing reminder of how far each team has fallen behind for one reason or another. At least our club has made a fist of it. Not so, England.

Agreeing with Spit...

Saw someone mention Lee Carsley somewhere earlier. Everyone must have forgotten that tactical masterclass of attacking play against Greece 18 months ago

Wasn’t just a poor result though. Was utter capitulation from a winning position and exactly the thing he was employed to not do.

I don't see how reaching the semis is an over achievement when we were ranked #4 in the world and reached the semis with teams 1, 2 and 3. That's exactly how it should pan out. We are out because Tuchel bottled it.

All of a sudden some of our fans have gone all premier league and want a sacking after a poor result:-)

Nick, I was bored so asked chatgpt for its candidates and it came up with: Pep Guardiola Eddie Howe Mauricio Pochettino Michael Carrick Lee Carsley Unai Emery Graham Potter Sarina Wiegman

Very good glass half full assessment Nick. I agree.

Agree Nick, but that monkey 🐒 remains on our back. We just can't win those games against the big teams, France 2022, Spain 2024, Argentina 2026

After yesterday it is tempting to say that Tuchel is just a German version of Southgate. The issue, though, if you got rid of him is who else you would get in - there aren’t really any credible English candidates and the only international manager who would be an obvious upgrade would be Pep (and I am not sure how good he would be without an unlimited budget to bring in whoever he wanted). The good side is that England’s level at which they fail is now the World Cup semi final/ Euro Final, which is pretty good really compared with the past

Is anyone going to watch the bronze final against France? Hopefully poor Micah Richards who found out just before the game that his dad had died is on his way home

We had probably the 5th best squad in the competition. Not as good as the Argentinians at either football or cheating. So semi finals was a very slight over achievement. Congratulations to all.

Amen to all of that, Hash.

Anyway at least we can now forget about England for a couple of years and concentrate on the Dons as there may be some exciting or at least interesting times ahead with potential investment coming in etc

a4e - surely Middlesboro should be in the final?

Pretty inexcusable to shut up shop / park the bus in the 55th minute of a world cup semi final with just a one goal lead. I don't know what explanation Tuchel has come up with for it as i am actively avoiding any media about the game because i am too pissed off.

Up to 84 mins I was enjoying the match.,the ref was bad in the first half and the argies first goal scorer should have been sent off early for the punch to the back of an England players head.

How depressing last night was. Tuchel brought out his inner Ardley after an hour which was never going to work against a good (if dirty) team. Bizarre substitutions and packing the defence just invited balls back into the box. As well as two goals they hit the post twice.