Tuchel has to be the scapegoat for this defeat. He parked the bus far too early and then added more defenders which seemed to cause confusion. He also took off our main outlet, Gordon. How he thought we'd survive 35 minutes plus added time playing like that, I just don't know. He got it wrong like he nearly did v Norway, when he also took off Gordon.

6M spot on again - now onto the domestic season… :)

The FA has the money to sack him and whoever extended his contract should be sacked at the same time.

Between Gordon’s goal and full time we had 12% possession.

It'll cost big bucks to sack Tuchel given his contract has only recently been extended until 2028. Was he like this at Chelsea? I genuinely don't know. All I remember is he always came across as the victim in interviews and everyone was against him and his team.

I’m glad I didn’t put that tenner on Dan Burn to score the winner in the World Cup final….

Guardiola is looking for a job. I would be talking to him right now.

Bring back the home internationals!

That game was the perfect demonstration yet again of why we can’t win a major tournament. No other “top side” would have played like that.

It was utterly painful to watch us go a goal up and suddenly play like we were Grimsby away at Man City. Tuchel was like Southgate on steroids. Then when they inevitably equalised, to leave 6 defenders on, for what? Argentina smelt blood as soon as we dropped deep after we scored and we were done. Pathetic from Tuchel.

Pete - good point - make him manage that one and sack him on 37 minutes.

Ham Saladice? Dream on.

Agree Trigs

6M - exactly, just let those who haven’t played have the game and do it like a friendly.

Big Sam?

Spit we were lucky against both Mexico and Norway but Kane and Bellingham got us through. We have not played well all tournament. Our passion was good but quality has been lacking.

The third place play off is the most pointless match conceivable. Neither team wants to be there. It is a waste of accommodation costs and everyone's time hanging around for a few more days when both teams want to go home. Both teams will make changes. Nobody cares about the score. Nobody will remember the score. You don't have this in any other tournament. In fact, they try to get rid of games, unlike FIFA who see money making as their raison d'être and this as another opportunity.

Trig - So, who manages them on Saturday then?

Tuchel doesn’t get another shot at a tournament. Southgate’s good work behind the scenes in transforming the culture of England FC still adds value but he was too conservative a a manager to win the big games. Tuchel was the big bet to change that and shat the bed tonight that game was ours to win and he hid the team behind the sofa in the second half.

Lol,semi final ,amazing performance in Mexico, yeah sack the new manager, calm down,calm down.

Tuchel is the poor man's Klopp. Watch Klopp take Germany to a tournament win.

Still got the thumping from France to go yet.

We’d have lost in ET, players were knackered… Good effort from all, just not quite enough against the world champions.

Tuchel has to go after that. Don’t even care who comes next he royally rogered that up so spectacularly that it’ll make it into coaching manuals.

Agreed RK and I quite agree with Spit, Tuchel has improved us. Southgate was good for building foundations but his time had come and gone.