By the way, Alan, I see things are about to get quite interesting on the IoW - I won’t say anything more as it’s kind of off limits for this place, but it looks pretty serious…

I think we drop to 19th tonight if Wigan beat Mansfield… :(

Oddsock - it would appear to be a school wear retail outlet now…

Alan - indeed, and I suspect any order placed would disappear into the ether(net)….

Well, it would be, if it was the London Baker St.

Business address is next door to Sherlock Holmes' old place.

A4E, the site must be older than the open-neck fashion these days looks like its been made with GeoCities.

Haha great link Alan - and that’s a really good article Airsy, with many of Trigg’s points included. The history is very interesting - most of those earlier ones were more neckerchief/scarf than tie per se, but our modern day tie is merely an adaptation from those times, mostly serving a decorative rather than any functional or truly symbolic role (other than an award, a rank, a club membership, etc…).

As with many modern day things and phrases ties started out as a military thing. Croatian soldiers fighting for France in the 30 Years War wore them to fasten the tops of their buttonless tunics and to differentiate ranks between officers and grunts. The French liked the look hence “cravat” comes from the French word for Croat - hrvat.

I' ll add to the tie chat how about this [Link]

Wonder if Lewis is still injured or is looking forward to resuming hostilities with Sharp

Might not answer A4E's question, but interesting nonetheless [Link]

Ahh yes, you beat me to it with that bow tie post RP…

RP - that could be it, yes, although you can always wear one of those fancy shirts with a sort of extra bit of fabric that covers over the buttons once you’ve done them up… To be clear, I don’t mind seeing people wearing a tie, and I get that they can signify membership of a club or something, but wearing one to football would be weird imo…

Billy Sharp has come out of retirement to play for AFC Rushden and Diamonds in their big cup tie at Burton on Saturday

And a bow tie should ALWAYS be worn with a shirt that has it's buttons concealed.

I think a tie does a very good job of hiding the unsightly buttons down the front of a shirt.

Ground is okish quite quirky plastic pitch though

Big car park there IIRC but obviously get there early for a sold out game, it’s like a community centre with other sports facilities with a football ground attached

Not sure what the point of ties is really - do they “do” anything? A belt holds your trousers up, buttons keep your shirt from bursting open, a scarf keeps your neck warm in cold weather, but what is a tie actually doing? I wore one for work for decades, and never really thought about it until the last couple of years, and why school kids need one is beyond me in truth… I used to wear a tie to funerals and weddings, but those events are more often than not smart casual these days, which is far more practical.

Awful story, very sad indeed… [Link]

Cheers - guess it's a palace of a ground, akin to the San Siro or even Stadium:MT?

REOD, yes been there 10+ times

Went to Oxford City last season

Afternoon all. I think the Tempest era replica shirts should now start being retired by those who still wear them...