I agree BW and it’s a conversation I have had with people on stadium tours when they ask how they can buy tickets when it’s sold out weeks in advance. I mention to them to check a week before the game and the debenture tickets will become available. Maybe we could have a pop-up message on the ticketing site and any matches that are close to selling out.

Bush Womble -- All it needs is a very clear note saying something like: "If you were unable to buy tickets today, check back on [date] when seats not taken up by Debenture Holders will be released for sale." It's not difficult.

Or it means the fixture list got leaked. Also means good chance we will be in the championship next season.

This is the newculture adopted by the Club, as Stuart D sums up perfectly, they are tasked with maximising income and are getting a bit ruthless. Rewind about six months and the fans that were blue & yellow members were told they had to become VPs to continue access to hospitality lounges. That meant paying an annual sub of £3,600, beyond most of them

OI - I guess the challenge with looking at the data is we can't see how many people have been put off from buying tickets due to lack of availability. I'm not sure what the solution is but the current situation is a bit weird and I think hard for people to understand. E.g. now there are hardly any tickets available for the Wigan game on 22 Nov. If someone is looking for tickets now they'll probably be put off. And I often hear people saying they couldn't get tickets to games when there are loads available later. The unclaimed debenture seats get released 8 days before a game now but that is slightly odd timing and hard to convey to casual fans. Putting very few tickets on sale initially and then adding lots more later doesn't seeem that logical. It's clearly neater for the club (and probably brings in more funds) if they can show all the available tickets when they go on sale.

Trigger - But it also says that the first match affected will be the Stevenage game on Boxing Day. That's this season -- so the Dec 26 is most likely a typo, as we certainly don't know the 2026-27 fixture list yet.

Email says it comes into effect on 1st December 2026.

Nicander, Feels to me that the club are focused heavily on revenue and maximising the matchday sales, that they have lost sight of the fan impact imo. The Debenture holders provided desperately needed funds and others had non-refundable ST’s that year, and whilst it was 5 years ago, it was an important period and we desperately needed help from the fans.

Pretty sure I remember Hartson scoring OTD but can't remember the other one

Apparently, someone at WHAD towers forgot to hit the record button.

I'm so angry about this. For one thing, whenever my family don't use their seats, they are resold and occupied (100% of the time), so from my anecdotal experience the problem is completely fucking illusory.

JJ does seem to pull us out of a mini slump fairly quickly and it'd be highly embarrassing to lose to the club at the bottom of the league.

The club have treated debenture holders like shit for a long time. Their memory over the help we gave the club at the time it was needed was almost instantly erased. I gave up giving the club any extra financial help a while ago, and it will remain that way until the treatment and respect of supporters returns. I am neither surprised nor disappointed by this, it's just another expected crap decision..

(I don't know what the other questions are - I only asked the one.)

After a prompt the DTB Chair has responded to my question about proxy votes when it comes to the constitution and they are going to answer that and all other questions at the SGM on the 17th.

You'd think the way the fans owned trust and club board behave that the club was actually owned by an irrational and selfish owner, you know, the type that the enshriner zealots peddle fear about....

I'm a great believer in data. Show us how long before a game people buy tickets and if there really is significant demand three weeks out then maybe given our financial situation there need to be changes, though not necessarily this exact one.

KT2, I'd imagine the WHAD boys were sufficiently traumatised enough by Gateshead to take a week out and not re-live that again.

Morning peeps, Silk the problem with your last comment about being fair to both parties is that when one group, fans, are being penalised by decisions that clearly break the terms agreed on purchasing. It is compounded the a fans group, apparently representing fans, go against that breach, who mediates that. Everyone understands that there is an under attendance in person problem damages on the day match revenues, but the administration of this needs to remember, underfunding issues originally was the reason this scheme was invented to start with.

I am a ST holder and also have a debenture - zero impact for me. The debenture gave the club lots of money upfront. So am surprised there is a short term memory loss on the benefit to the club. Why doesn't the club offer to buy out the debenture at a discount or convert to a ST or even a bond? It is simply a paper move, rather than a financial one for the club.

The West Ham FA cup game is right up there for me as well. Ticked all the right boxes, superb giant slaying performance under the lights, cold winter evening, great atmosphere. Also meeting Vinny in the bar afterwards, and jeering David Gold as he tried to get out of the KM car park in his rolls. In some ways it was the peak of the AFCW @ KM era.

Also just because something is in the terms and conditions does not make it legally enforceable especially with finances. To be enforceable it has to be fair to both parties and easily understood by someone with no legal knowledge. We have seen refunds on endowment mortgages and car loans and diesel cars because of this.

Unless there was a section in the terms and conditions signed by the fan who took up the debenture that stated the notice date could be changed by the club then the club would be breaking the terms of the contract and you ask for a refund - probably pro-rated.

Naz is right about the Burnley game, it was unique in that it was so utterly unexpected. Felt like we were on a magic carpet ride right the way through to the Selhurst replay.

We are 'legacy fans' now. Fuck 'em.