Afternoon anyone - to change the subject briefly from football, does anyone have recommendations for a Man and Van to move a couple of bits of furniture from SW20 to Bedfordshire please? Thank you.

Padds - the right for women to go to a Ladies loo without it being full of trans men!

Absolutely, OI.

We've lost the most important bit in many areas, the ability to have a sensible discussion between people with opposing views rather than calling them fascists, communists, woke or twats. If you can't do that you won't get viable solutions.

You're probably right, RK.

CW - that's the vaguest one, but there is a feeling that we are in danger of losing some hard-won stuff if we're not careful as a society.

Doubtless everyone atm will feel the grouping they belong/adhere to is being badly treated. Rich folk (see Rachel for further details), young folk, ethic minorities, white people, poor low income working families

Home to Colchester in the Youth Cup game to be played by 1st Nov

At the beginning…

Carshalton where do you want us to start ??

Why is it so bad being a woman at the moment?

It's bad enough at the moment being old and a woman. At least I'm not a Jewish old woman.

I hope no-one is accusing MTA supporters of taking hostages or murdering people.

TM, parkrun is unusual in that it is open to all. Other running events are often segregated by gender or age etc.

None of the football derby rivalries mentioned have involved thousands held hostage or murdered in a current war. It's another example of it being impossible to keep "politics out of football" as it has such a disproportionate impact on our national narrative.

I'd say that's on the Christians.

I'm not sure the rules always apply evenly Spartan: [Link]

...but if Jews say "not in our streets" when the Hamas/Palestine/Gaza fellow travellers demand to march, they are told it's a free country. Seems like Birmingham is less free than the rest of the country.

The best answer to this problem is to stop pandering to Islam and tell them to do one. They may think this is a Muslim country (and we might well be heading that way), but it isn't yet, and they should fall in line with our laws, rules and culture and not the other way round.

Tbk, your response applies to other highly charged matches such as Manure and bin dippers but it goes on. It's clearly being targeted by a Muslim MP as a not in our streets fixture. As others have said is the Spuds match going to asked to be free of away support too.

TBK - not for one minute accusing you of antisemitism. Just pointing out that Rangers/Celtic, Liverpool/ManU, Saints/Pompey all permit away supporters - even though there will be policing challenges. An Israeli team come to town - ban them!

We have a separation of powers. Governments make laws (including ones setting up safety committees with significant powers). Judges interpret laws in actual situations, the police enforce laws. As soon as you let any of those start to take the powers of one of the others you are heading for trouble.

I don't think it's antisemitic based on the AI definition I've just looked at and there is a big difference between the rights of people going to attend football games and those going on marches as part of their rights of protest

TBK - but it is! I am sorry that you cannot admit this to yourself.

DO, something isn't antisemitic just because it involves an Israeli club or whoever chooses to sign a petition.